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Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by groovybits »

syrgian wrote: post #32
Multicomp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is building MV3 and while they are coy with deprecating MV2, we all know, c'mon, they won't keep MV2 even a day after their minimum year promised. Their track record speaks against them. XPCOM extensions? Killed, but don't worry, we will re-implement all the needed APIs as WebExtensions (didn't happen). Fennec to Fenix mobile extensions? Killed, you get these 10 blessed ones, don't worry, we will eventually r…

Thanks for the summary. I had perceived the betrayal but I had never organized the thoughts nor verified the claims. What do you think is the future (+2 years) for people with hatred for ads? For now I am using Firefox on computer + Kiwi in Android, but I also expect those two to go awry in the mid term. * I see that after the edit, it doesn't look as bleak for Firefox PC. But what about Android?

> What do you think is the future (+2 years) for people with hatred for ads?

DNS-based blocking

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by kurupt213 »

cube00 wrote: post #12
vegai_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, just use Firefox for general browsing and Chrome/ium for the one or two things that only work on that.

It's shocking that in 2022 there are still sites that (or have been forced) to only work in Chrome. Looking at you Google search results [1] (but I understand their motivation), however I do have one local company site that refuses to move beyond their loading splash in Firefox. I guess I should be thankful it's no where near as bad as the IE6 days where HTML standards were completely disrespected in the quest for mo…

My experience is it’s more often proprietary web fronts for corporate microservices than WWW pages

If Firefox won’t work, edge almost always will. I’m really trying not to download chrome again. I forgot chromium is an option. Is that not maintained by Google?

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by webmobdev »

Multicomp wrote: post #22
bambax wrote: post #7

> By releasing an extension built with Manifest V3 today — first among developers of ad blockers – we can say that we've met the challenge that Google posed to us. They shouldn't do this IMHO. Manifest V3 is a horrible attempt to kill adblocking (under the banner of "security", as always). But, the web is completely unusable without adblocking. If there are no more (effective) adblockers for Chrome, users will franti…

Firefox is building MV3 and while they are coy with deprecating MV2, we all know, c'mon, they won't keep MV2 even a day after their minimum year promised. Their track record speaks against them. XPCOM extensions? Killed, but don't worry, we will re-implement all the needed APIs as WebExtensions (didn't happen). Fennec to Fenix mobile extensions? Killed, you get these 10 blessed ones, don't worry, we will eventually r…

The only thing keeping Firefox alive and relevant is uBlock Origin and its ad-blocking features. If Mozilla cripples it in any manner, Firefox will die. But I don't have high hopes and lost all trust in them when they built a backdoor in their browser to run any code through it on their users browser, as they please, and have even used it to violate their users privacy and trust - Mozilla ships Cliqz experiment in Germany for ~1% of new installs, collects surf data, including URLs - https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/74n0b2/mozilla_shi... ...

Unless Firefox is released from the clutches of Mozilla, Firefox will never be a serious competitor in the browser wars.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by jeroenhd »

t6jvcereio wrote: post #31

So wait. What's wrong with ublock origin?

Nothing, except for that it may stop working in Chrom[e|ium] next year when Google kills the current standard for web extensions.

There's been some work done on fixing this issue (https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338) but the architecture of content blocking extensions will need to change to facilitate Google's new requirements.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by worble »

arusahni wrote: post #25
Multicomp wrote: post #16

It is such a bummer to me that Firefox is implementing MV3 and deprecating MV2[1]. Internet Explorer 6 never left, it just became Google Chrome*. Vivaldi? Killed, Chrome clone. Edge? Killed, Chrome clone. Brave? Killed, Chrome clone. Firefox? Technically a separate engine and in theory among the last hopes, but so sclerotic it follows Chrome in almost all of its decisions. (Can MV2 be kept as a stable basic-security-…

Mozilla is not implementing[1] any of the Mv3 restrictions against ad blockers (i.e. WebRequest). [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-fi...

I don't think they've come out to support other extensions that will be killed in the crossfire however, such as ViolentMonkey or TamperMonkey.

https://github.com/violentmonkey/violentmonkey/issues/1555

https://github.com/Tampermonkey/tampermonkey/issues/644

The only thing we have so far is a google rep stating that they'll "reaffirm that we plan to support userscript managers in Maniest V3 before the Manifest V2 deprecation"[0] back in May, which fills me with no hope at all that they won't simply be killed.

0: https://github.com/Tampermonkey/tampermonkey/issues/644#issu...

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by taspeotis »

XorNot wrote: post #14
jnsaff2 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is not that bad. Honestly the multi-account containers alone merits the switch.

I don't get where "not that bad" is coming from with Firefox these days. Firefox is just plain good, and has been for a while.

I think Firefox is an important alternative to WebKit/Blink-based browsers.

But as a web developer I semi-regularly butt up against bugs in it that have languished in Bugzilla since like, 2014, with absolutely no progress on them.

I have dealt with two (maybe three?) bugs in Chrome ever and one of them was a pretty clear fuckup they rolled back within days.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by soraminazuki »

Longhanks wrote: post #19
bambax wrote: post #7

> By releasing an extension built with Manifest V3 today — first among developers of ad blockers – we can say that we've met the challenge that Google posed to us. They shouldn't do this IMHO. Manifest V3 is a horrible attempt to kill adblocking (under the banner of "security", as always). But, the web is completely unusable without adblocking. If there are no more (effective) adblockers for Chrome, users will franti…

I think you overestimate the role adblockers play for regular users. Most people not affiliated with IT in any way I've met actually don't use an adblocker or have forgotten that they in fact do and would not notice the change to Manifest v3. Also, most people care much more about "it simply works", and that is Chrome. Firefox is neither preinstalled nor as compatible as Chrome (nor as fast or user friendly). There's…

> Firefox is neither preinstalled nor as compatible as Chrome (nor as fast or user friendly)

Compatible against what? The web standards or Google Chrome?

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by gostsamo »

thrdbndndn wrote: post #35
bambax wrote: post #7

> By releasing an extension built with Manifest V3 today — first among developers of ad blockers – we can say that we've met the challenge that Google posed to us. They shouldn't do this IMHO. Manifest V3 is a horrible attempt to kill adblocking (under the banner of "security", as always). But, the web is completely unusable without adblocking. If there are no more (effective) adblockers for Chrome, users will franti…

> Manifest V3 is a horrible attempt to kill adblocking I really don't understand the push of MV3. I don't believe they're just for security as Google claimed but at the same time I feel thinking it's "just" to ruin ad blocking is equally baffling. Could someone who is more involved elaborate the nuance of (intent of) MV3?

Google sells ads. They totally want to kill adblocking with all means necessary. The moment they can no longer show increasing revenue, the stock will fall down to the levels expected from utilities from the levels that tech companies are valued at.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by thejosh »

Longhanks wrote: post #19
bambax wrote: post #7

> By releasing an extension built with Manifest V3 today — first among developers of ad blockers – we can say that we've met the challenge that Google posed to us. They shouldn't do this IMHO. Manifest V3 is a horrible attempt to kill adblocking (under the banner of "security", as always). But, the web is completely unusable without adblocking. If there are no more (effective) adblockers for Chrome, users will franti…

I think you overestimate the role adblockers play for regular users. Most people not affiliated with IT in any way I've met actually don't use an adblocker or have forgotten that they in fact do and would not notice the change to Manifest v3. Also, most people care much more about "it simply works", and that is Chrome. Firefox is neither preinstalled nor as compatible as Chrome (nor as fast or user friendly). There's…

It's actually ridiculous to surf the web without an adblocker.

Let's say you have a brand new computer, and want to download nVidia drivers. Fire up your brand new computer, search for "nvidia drivers" using Bing.... and the first results are all ads for extremely scummy adware. (It's also hilarious when you search for "chrome download" when Edge begs you not to, and including when you click through, but that's a story for another time :)).

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by koenvdb »

XorNot wrote: post #14
jnsaff2 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is not that bad. Honestly the multi-account containers alone merits the switch.

I don't get where "not that bad" is coming from with Firefox these days. Firefox is just plain good, and has been for a while.

From my experience, almost every website doesn't feel as nice in Firefox as it does in Chrome. Ofcourse some of those sites are maintained by Google (YouTube).
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