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They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#41

Yes yes, we're all gonna die because people are allowed to post on the internet. Decentralized messaging platforms should be illegal because they can't be moderated. You should only be able to host an internet service with a license and yearly federal inspections to make sure you're properly storing and backing up accountability logs of all users. > blah blah blah there are insane people in my country who will kill p…

> There is a solution to this: going to jail for murder.

Couldn't we find a solution that doesn't require the violent death of a person?

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#42

Being realistic: if your life hangs by the thread of twitter moderation, you should either run and hide, or get your affairs in order. If they really want you dead, even the best possible twitter moderation won't keep you safe. This whole circumstance of people wanting you dead is not twitters fault and there is very little twitter could do to protect you even if their moderation was perfect.

He's not asking Twitter to protect him from murder. He's asking them to do their damn job so the platform cannot be used to facilitate a smear campaign that makes it easy to get away with murder.

It's a very reasonable request.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#43
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post #14

This really sucks to hear. What’s unclear to me is whether Twitter is being negligent or abnormal here or whether this is just shitty world politics unfolding partly on Twitter. Twitter is being used by both sides to fight over a narrative. Nothing new in that respect. The author doesn't really propose a solution other than Twitter essentially siding with him and take (what appears to me to be) a political stance. Of…

I dont want political asylum because of many reasons, i have my parents and my family back home. I am not asking Twitter to side with me, you have read my post, you can clearly see that misinfo is being spread about me. These are verifiable lies. They are verifiably dangerous after basic scrutiny, i am asking Twitter to do their job that they already claim that they do. That is provide a space that is safer from hara…

So you get your wish, Twitter bans a bunch of tweets.

Your life is still in danger. You haven't changed that situation. You still need to either flee or make plans for your sudden passing.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#44

He complains that Twitter doesn't know local Pakistani politics, but what would be the answer in this case? Set up national moderation offices? In this very case, they would just say yeah he's a spy... Unless you want random unaccountable expats making judgment calls about your government

Moderation is already localised by language. It's not such a stretch to extend this to some basic regional knowledge.

What the parent post seems to be saying is that it's quite plausible that localised moderation might follow the 'new regime' and instead of the current ignorance, they would strongly side against the OP - there's no reason to presume that 'some basic regional knowledge' would lead moderators to support the OPs political position instead of the position according to which he should be silenced and arrested - it might swing the one way, it might swing the other.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#45

Being realistic: if your life hangs by the thread of twitter moderation, you should either run and hide, or get your affairs in order. If they really want you dead, even the best possible twitter moderation won't keep you safe. This whole circumstance of people wanting you dead is not twitters fault and there is very little twitter could do to protect you even if their moderation was perfect.

He's not asking Twitter to protect him from murder. He's asking them to do their damn job so the platform cannot be used to facilitate a smear campaign that makes it easy to get away with murder. It's a very reasonable request.

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Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#46
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is clear defamation. they are claiming that i work for intel agencies of foreign countries, which is not true.

One thing that’s not clear. The tweet you show claims you are “appointed” to a position by a human rights org in India. But your denials all say you aren’t “working” for India, and you claim here for “intel agencies”. It would be good to be more clear on both sides. Did they appoint you or did you associate in any form? Are they an independent org or a government agency? Maybe there were multiple accusations you are…

The International Human Rights Foundation (IHRF) seems to be an NGO based in New York, perhaps with offices in India as well, but they don't seem to be an organ of the Indian government. The author of this article quotes a tweet trying discredit the IHRF by claiming they are "registered in India" (might be true, but so what?)

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#47

Being realistic: if your life hangs by the thread of twitter moderation, you should either run and hide, or get your affairs in order. If they really want you dead, even the best possible twitter moderation won't keep you safe. This whole circumstance of people wanting you dead is not twitters fault and there is very little twitter could do to protect you even if their moderation was perfect.

He's not asking Twitter to protect him from murder. He's asking them to do their damn job so the platform cannot be used to facilitate a smear campaign that makes it easy to get away with murder. It's a very reasonable request.

I have a very low opinion of twitter and certainly wish they'd do a better job. But the premise of twitter as a shield against state-sponsored kidnapping or murder seems flimsy at best.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moderation is already localised by language. It's not such a stretch to extend this to some basic regional knowledge.

What the parent post seems to be saying is that it's quite plausible that localised moderation might follow the 'new regime' and instead of the current ignorance, they would strongly side against the OP - there's no reason to presume that 'some basic regional knowledge' would lead moderators to support the OPs political position instead of the position according to which he should be silenced and arrested - it might…

OP claims that synthetic commentators are making claims about them that are demonstrably untrue. This can be (and in other locales is) moderated in a politically neutral way.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#49
post #14

This really sucks to hear. What’s unclear to me is whether Twitter is being negligent or abnormal here or whether this is just shitty world politics unfolding partly on Twitter. Twitter is being used by both sides to fight over a narrative. Nothing new in that respect. The author doesn't really propose a solution other than Twitter essentially siding with him and take (what appears to me to be) a political stance. Of…

Twitter is being used by both sides to fight over a narrative. Nothing new in that respect. It's a narrative that could get one side kidnapped, tortured, imprisoned for years and potentially killed. I've seen previous incidents where Facebook and other platforms were nightmare fuel for locals and the platform didn't even have moderators who spoke the local language for purposes of reviewing the issue. These platforms…

Yes I agree 100%. If Twitter is going to arbitrate then they better do so fairly and soundly across all peoples. My criticism is of the expectation that such fair arbitration can happen unilaterally in the first place especially in a politically charged environment. Twitter has not demonstrated an ability to be impartial and fair in the past. They are a US company partial to US politics. Specifically, they lean rather liberal in their moderation decisions. As you say, they want users, not justice (even though at certain times they have made small motions towards perceived “social” justice). They are simply not equip to replace the judicial systems of the world and expecting them to do so is a little bit crazy in my opinion. The reality is they have no legal authority anywhere.

I agree the author’s criticism is fair. My point was a reminder that the expectations here may not live up to reality and it might be best to seek other help. Even if Twitter removes this misinformation, the author will not be safe and will likely, if the story is to be believed, be detained and tortured the minute they step onto Pakistani soil, sadly. I think the reminder that “Twitter can’t make you safe” is a fair and practical one too, despite whether it should have to be that way or not.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

#50
post #36
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont want political asylum because of many reasons, i have my parents and my family back home. I am not asking Twitter to side with me, you have read my post, you can clearly see that misinfo is being spread about me. These are verifiable lies. They are verifiably dangerous after basic scrutiny, i am asking Twitter to do their job that they already claim that they do. That is provide a space that is safer from hara…

Making Twitter safe will not make you safe. It would absolutely be great if Twitter could do more, but the true issue lies elsewhere. Unless you recognize this, and accept that you don’t always get everything you want, then you may be living in a dangerous delusion. You don’t want to leave Pakistan, and you also presumably don’t want to compromise your principles, and you also want to not be killed for your journalis…

> You don’t want to leave Pakistan

My read is that he's in New York, but has family still in Pakistan.

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