Let me know if I am wrong about using crypto for payments: My understanding is that a big, maybe the biggest, obstacle is taxes. In countries like the USA and Germany, the way I understand tax law is: When you buy something with crypto, that counts as a sale of an asset. So you have to document what the fair value of the coffee you bought is at that point in time, subtract what you paid for the crypto you used and th…
People ended up using crypto as a stock investment instead of as a currency and then they're surprised it gets taxed as a stock investment.
Difficulties of providing a crypto payment system on your website
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Yes, that's a big problem. You might harm your reputation including a Crypto payment option.
There are people, myself included, that appreciate a crypto payment inclusion. I am proud to say I have used crypto to buy a physical souvenir, a steam game, and a yearly subscription to a service. I would gladly do that more if they allow me.
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#44I built Bitcoin and Stellar payment systems for a client. In both cases, I generated an address for each customer and associated that address with the customer ID. By not reusing addresses, I never had the problem of not knowing who had paid and who had not. You cannot trust most people to provide a memo correctly.
Of course, I generated a QR code for each payment request, so mobile users had no trouble. However, desktop users had to copy paste, and some people have trouble with even basic computer tasks...
The biggest challenge was having people under-pay. Depending on the wallet a person used, the wallet might show them a fiat currency amount instead of a crypto amount. If I said to pay 100 XLM, they might put that into their wallet and see an incorrect (or inaccurate) conversion and adjust the number down (or up, but that rarely happened).
I gave a locked in quote price when the order was placed, and I would let that price stay fixed until the order was paid. That was better than updating the to-pay amount after the order was placed, since the user might have been busy going off to buy or transfer the exact amount. We noted that if the conversion rate fluctuated greatly, the user could simply cancel the order and re-place it to get the current rate.
Another problem was that people would pay directly from an exchange "wallet", and the exchange might take a fee out for the transfer. So that 100 we requested might arrive as 90. I did allow up to 3% under-pay, but in cases where the difference was greater I had to leave the order open as partially paid (and request the buyer pay the missing difference). Then we found that if that difference was small, some people couldn't transfer that small amount from their exchanges (there were often minimum transfer limits).
Then on the company side, we've got crypto that we had to decide whether to sit on or convert to fiat. Obviously if the crypto market is on a bull run, it's beneficial to keep the money in crypto. But it's really a gamble (obviously a losing gamble in the last 10 months). So normally we would convert the crypto back to fiat every couple of days.
The technical aspects of all this were not really difficult, and it was nice being in charge of refund decisions (unlike when taking credit cards or paypal where a bad actor can cause immediate and long term problems for the merchant).
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are people, myself included, that appreciate a crypto payment inclusion. I am proud to say I have used crypto to buy a physical souvenir, a steam game, and a yearly subscription to a service. I would gladly do that more if they allow me.
You are proud because you used a specific form of payment?
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Like what?
Porn, SMM, basically any international digital services on the PayPal blacklist.
So let's say pornhub takes bitcoin (can't check, as I'm in a public place). It still needs a refunds and frauds department for those payments, no?
And pornhub does take credit cards. Yes, the fees are higher. But largely because the chargebacks are more common (spouse finds out, buyer feigns ignorance).
What's SSM in this context?
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People ended up using crypto as a stock investment instead of as a currency and then they're surprised it gets taxed as a stock investment.
I mean, it's currency. Trading currency is pretty old, so I doubt anyone was surprised here.
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#48The real difficulties in providing crypto payment options is that users are generally not educated enough to use it properly. I built Bitcoin and Stellar payment systems for a client. In both cases, I generated an address for each customer and associated that address with the customer ID. By not reusing addresses, I never had the problem of not knowing who had paid and who had not. You cannot trust most people to pro…
Two questions
1) Bitcoin needs time to transfer. How did you approve the transaction? Instantly in hoping it will go through or had the costumer to wait?
2) The problem with new Stellar addresses is, that they need to be "funded". Your sending wallet has to recognize if this address is empty to run the right function (it's not a normal transaction). Most of the wallets can't do that. They wouldn't be able to transfer any funds. Have you had problems with that?
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You are proud because you used a specific form of payment?
Yes. I am proud to be one of the few that have used crypto to buy something "regular". To use that thing in the way it is promised to be, and not as gambling or scams. So yes, I'm proud to have done that.
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I would love to pay with crypto. Every time I type my credit card number into some web form I think "Damn, I hope the number will not end up in some shady hands causing me trouble". I had my credit card disabled once because someone started using it to buy stuff with it around the world. What a freaking hassle. Telephone calls, letters, several days without a CC, had to change the number everywhere .. annoying. Payin…
You are saying that you rather would have your crypto wallet stolen instead of your credit card?