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Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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It's the federal government, not a startup in your garage.

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Not if one of the people who would do that is currently on a boat in Lake Winnipesaukee.

Not if {insert 20 other sources of complexity that exist in the real world}.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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"All agencies will fully implement updated policies, including ending the optional 12-month embargo, no later than December 31, 2025." Why does this need a 3 year transition period? Six months would be plenty.

Woah boy. You drastically overestimate the alacrity of the U.S. federal government. Also, keep in mind that existing contracts may not permit the updated policies to be "fully" implemented, and premature "termination for convenience" is a great way to screw the American taxpayer.

It seems like the language of the XO could simply specify "six months, or the soonest time which would be allowed without penalty by the relevant contracts, but in no case longer than three years."

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Well, if nothing else, it produces profits... and profits pay for lobbyists. At least in the Washington understanding, an "industry" is any profit-seeking entity or association which has lobbyists representing its interests. (What would you say are the "products" of the hedge-fund "industry"?) I suppose you could call this a special-interest group instead, but it's a little pedantic.

Yes, it produces profits which indeed can pay for advocacy and also has jobs and where there are jobs there are congresspeople with people who might lose jobs in their district and therefore a potential wrench in any policy change.

Edit for data to paint a clearer picture: The co I know best in this space is Elsevier which according to their Wikipedia has more than 8,000 employees. I don't know where they're distributed (it's a Dutch co) but if you represent a certain district or consituency and all of a sudden your area might lose thousands of jobs, you listen, even if you don't particularly like that industry.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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It's the federal government, not a startup in your garage.

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I believe the federally funded research rules are about prohibiting future ongoing publication at venues that are not in compliance with the policy, rather than the government directly compelling private businesses to take down the paywalls.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Seems like a good thing. Any downsides to this? Any low hanging fruit it misses in making research more open access?

Definitely agree it's a good thing - my libertarian core can't help but wonder if the white house has (or ought to have) the power to unilaterally declare this, though. Would much prefer this had been voted on by congress.

It's policy guidance issued by the executive branch to the Federal agencies, which is well within the President's authority.

Of course, that also means that another president could reverse this policy just as easily. If Congress passed a law it would be harder to reverse.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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This is good news. Academic publishers are parasites and anything that reduces their stranglehold on academic knowledge is good. That said, parasites are, if nothing else, resilient. So, there's a few issues that I'm concerned about. First, it's not clear to me that university libraries will be able to drop their subscriptions to these journals based on this decision. The vast majority of research receives some feder…

Maybe I’m missing something, but if Nature charges that much to publish why does anyone publish in Nature? Why don’t academics just create their own ‘ethically priced’ journal? It’s my understanding that most of Nature’s labor is voluntary and unpaid anyway.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Maybe it's less about the agencies technical ability and more about making it long enough that the current beneficiaries of this don't oppose it as strongly as they would if it disrupted their biz in the next 2-4 quarters so that it can actually get done.

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Unless an alternative to the current publishing system comes, the new grants will need to add a cost to publish any papers that come out of the study.

Re: Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

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Not if one of the people who would do that is currently on a boat in Lake Winnipesaukee. Not if {insert 20 other sources of complexity that exist in the real world}.

Give them an afternoon and then charge them a $2500 a day fine for any federally funded research not made available. They'll fix it that afternoon. I'm sure Jake can remote in from Lake Winnipesaukee.

Apolegetics for bad, unethical, and world damaging polices, be it corporate or otherwise, are unacceptable.

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