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Maybe I'm a bit cynical, but I don't see anything admirable about this mindset. In fact, I think it's incredibly selfish. What kind of inhumane person would "risk everything" on a business venture? This reads like a dystopian horror novel exploring the extremes of a deranged entrepreneur's mind.

Yeah, I agree that your take is cynical and judgemental to boot. No need to pass judgment on other people's value system esp. when the matter is very personal and won't affect other individuals or creatures and just deals with their subjective worldview and how they make sense of their role and contribution to the society or humanity in general.

If you post your subjective view on a public forum, judgement is literally the only opposing force in a discussion (because subjective differences in opinion cannot be rationalized by objective arguments). Unless you want an echo chamber, I don't see a problem with judgement.

Re: Risk Everything (2007)

#42

I take objection to this line: > When I share this story with other sailors, they are universally aghast that we helped these refugees. I wonder what kind of sailors they are conversing with, if at all.

I have a far less interesting and infinitely less daring story (but that is my response to the author's contention, "risk everything" and your question "why people are aghast").

When I was young in my mid 20's, I've just moved to a hip and hipster neighborhood of a college town lively with grad students, artists and musicians and comics; But I was just a lonely and geeky guy lookin' to fit in and meet and make new friends with the glitsy scene.

One one evening, driving back from staying late on the job, I stopped for a fellow who motioned for help in the middle of the road. It turned out that his car battery died - but peculiarly his battery would not hold charge and his engine would only run if the jumper cable hooked up at all times. So really wanting to help, I offered to get into both of our cars with the jumper cables still connected - like 2 hungry hippos joined at the open mouths and drive down gingerly down 5 city blocks 'till we got to his driveway. Someway, somehow, against many honks and even incoming traffic, we made it. I was elated and thought I had made a friend and had a great story to tell; we exchanged phone numbers, and I asked the guy to have drinks with me some times.

Except the guy never replied back to my messages. And while disappointing, it wasn't a big deal in the grander scale of things in life vis-a-vis major breakup's, "major reorgs" at work or major rifts with family relatives. But with passage of time, I've learned why it still nagged at me - because if I was honest with myself: what I did was actually not very altruistic. I stopped because I was a lonely young man who was looking for some kind of excitement to take on a "hero" role even if only for a moment. A situation I was hoping would garner me some dopamine hit with truly minimal cost to me - and yes even an covert expectation that the stranger would return my " kindness" and maybe even a social reward if I re-told the story [chasing an aesthetic pleasure disguised as an ethical act in the Kierkegaardian sense].

So I don't think I'd be keen to stop for someone now - not because I've become a grumpy old man who don't believe most people are bad and you shouldn't take un-necessary personal risk. But because (a) I think real heroism is deliberately pushing all your chips [at true emotional or material sacrifice to yourself] to the middle of the table for something or people whom you love over a long sustained period of time - not some impulsive act in the moment for an emotional reward, and (b) I think those people stranded on the road should have purchased an AAA membership; or should have carried an radio for emergency contact, brought on additional provisions or a marine GPS for their course on the high seas.

Re: Risk Everything (2007)

#43

Or, this was just a bad plan. They got lucky, the next bunch not so much.

Was it? Perhaps I misunderstood, but when the author found them, they were less than a day from Cancun, and on the right course. They would have made it even without her help.

Re: Risk Everything (2007)

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post #22

I really like that the author helped them and it sounded odd to me to read "The prevailing wisdom for this seafaring situation is “Don’t Stop.” ", before I realised that in different countries there are different threats. Sailing mainly in the Baltics, there is the opposing rule of having the duty to help people in distress at sea. I'm not sure I fully understand the "learning" part, isn't this a bit of survivor bias…

"prevailing wisdom" and legal rules can be quite different.

Re: Risk Everything (2007)

#46

From Rudyard Kipling's If ; If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

the conclusion after many ifs is: "Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!"

Here is the complete If by Rudyard Kipling;

  If you can keep your head when all about you   
     Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   
  If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
     But make allowance for their doubting too;   
  If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
     Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
  Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
     And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

  If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   
     If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   
  If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
     And treat those two impostors just the same;   
  If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
     Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
  Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
     And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

  If you can make one heap of all your winnings
     And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
  And lose, and start again at your beginnings
     And never breathe a word about your loss;
  If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
     To serve your turn long after they are gone,   
  And so hold on when there is nothing in you
     Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

  If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   
     Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
  If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
     If all men count with you, but none too much;
  If you can fill the unforgiving minute
     With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   
  Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   
     And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

Re: Risk Everything (2007)

#47
post #12

I see a problem with risking everything that is if your goal is to either make it to the top or make it to the bottom, then risking it all is the way to go. Yet, that’s a poor long-term strategy. Eventually risk will realize and you’ll lose it all.

Perhaps more realistic is to approximately Kelly-bet your way through life.

Re: Risk Everything (2007)

#49
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I agree that your take is cynical and judgemental to boot. No need to pass judgment on other people's value system esp. when the matter is very personal and won't affect other individuals or creatures and just deals with their subjective worldview and how they make sense of their role and contribution to the society or humanity in general.

If you post your subjective view on a public forum, judgement is literally the only opposing force in a discussion (because subjective differences in opinion cannot be rationalized by objective arguments). Unless you want an echo chamber, I don't see a problem with judgement.

I don't see a problem with judgement either but yours was very non-impersonal (ad hominem) and on top of that, absolutist in nature and sweeping in scope severely lacking in nuance and subtlety.

Re: Risk Everything (2007)

#50
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't assume this. That's just the definition of "risking everything". If you loose, then you have nothing left and you are at the bottom.

Right, but really risking everything is almost impossible to do. Like if I took my life savings and put them on red, I'm still going to be fine because I'll outrace that loss in no time. To really risk everything I have to burn bridges, damage my brain, and lose all my money. In the end, you always have yourself. Except when you die. And then it doesn't matter. Interestingly, though, I've always stopped for people on…

When I think about taking alternative cost into account you loose more than "just money", you loose all the opportunities that could show up after a week or month later, or until you build savings back.

You always have yourself but consider also how much impact in psyche it might have, will you really have "yourself" after blowing all the savings? It could trigger regret (especially if some opportunity shows up after savings are gone) and could spiral down into depression. It is easy to say "I am strong, I would handle it" before something bad happens.

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