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Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by pseudalopex »

richbell wrote: post #18
bageljr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proof?

It's a bit strange that the burden of proof is on people contesting allegations about an anonymous person. As far as I can tell the original claim has no proof whatsoever. That said, after digging into this a bit more it seems that the most credible proof he didn't commit suicide is that the U.S. State Department has no record of it. They allegedly killed themselves in June but according to government records no US c…

USA Today reported Near's full name and suicide. Hector Martin claimed police confirmed.

How was it determined Near was in Japan at the time? Or was it assumed because they lived there?

You didn't say Near's suicide was unproven. You suggested it was proven a hoax. It's not strange people ask for proof when proof was claimed.

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by pseudalopex »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #24
bageljr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proof?

I don't think there's conclusive evidence one way or the other. Someone claiming to be Near claimed to be committing suicide, and someone claiming to know Near claimed to have confirmation. No further evidence has surfaced. Personally I'm inclined to believe it (his last tweet still haunts me), but because an entire web forum is being accused of being responsible for it, it bears getting to the truth, at some point.

USA Today reported Near died by suicide.

Would anyone stop defending Kiwi Farms if Near's suicide was proven? Would anyone decide Kiwi Farms is not so bad if Near was proven alive? 2 other targets' suicides are undisputed as far as I know. Kiwi Farms defenders say anyone who killed themselves because of harassment would have killed themselves anyway. And they say an unenforceable rule against interacting with targets means the forum can't be blamed.

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by richbell »

effingwewt wrote: post #40
pseudalopex wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An incest charge in 2021 means decades of harassment was justified?

Don't be obtuse, that wasn't what I said at all. Decades of posting all about your life online and doing insane things for internet fame, and even your own personal details means they can't cry when that attention isn't always positive. Chris is himself a troll. He has physically attacked a gamestop employee, his mother tried to run over another one. Again, if OP wanted to garner sympathy, Chris wasn't the example to…

> Chris is himself a troll. He has physically attacked a gamestop employee, his mother tried to run over another one.

He also gloated about having a girlfriend while deliberately witholding information that he knew would get him in trouble; he teased out hints that it was his mother, such as "she's an older lady", "we've known each other a long time", "she graduated from in accounting".

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by phendrenad2 »

pseudalopex wrote: post #42
phendrenad2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's conclusive evidence one way or the other. Someone claiming to be Near claimed to be committing suicide, and someone claiming to know Near claimed to have confirmation. No further evidence has surfaced. Personally I'm inclined to believe it (his last tweet still haunts me), but because an entire web forum is being accused of being responsible for it, it bears getting to the truth, at some point.

USA Today reported Near died by suicide. Would anyone stop defending Kiwi Farms if Near's suicide was proven? Would anyone decide Kiwi Farms is not so bad if Near was proven alive? 2 other targets' suicides are undisputed as far as I know. Kiwi Farms defenders say anyone who killed themselves because of harassment would have killed themselves anyway. And they say an unenforceable rule against interacting with targets…

Even the USA Today article says "allegedly". And you're right, everyone has already made up their mind based on feelings. That's the cool thing about facts, you don't have to do that.

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by pseudalopex »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #44
pseudalopex wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA Today reported Near died by suicide. Would anyone stop defending Kiwi Farms if Near's suicide was proven? Would anyone decide Kiwi Farms is not so bad if Near was proven alive? 2 other targets' suicides are undisputed as far as I know. Kiwi Farms defenders say anyone who killed themselves because of harassment would have killed themselves anyway. And they say an unenforceable rule against interacting with targets…

Even the USA Today article says "allegedly". And you're right, everyone has already made up their mind based on feelings. That's the cool thing about facts, you don't have to do that.

> Even the USA Today article says "allegedly".

The headline said Respected developer who was bullied online dies by suicide. My browser found allegedly nowhere in the article. I didn't see anything similar to allegedly when I skimmed it again. Could you point it out?[1]

> And you're right, everyone has already made up their mind based on feelings. That's the cool thing about facts, you don't have to do that.

Not what I said. The cool thing about facts is they shape opinions and actions. I don't think many opinions are shaped by the difference between 2 and 3 deaths.

[1] https://news.yahoo.com/respected-developer-died-suicide-expe...

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by pseudalopex »

effingwewt wrote: post #40
pseudalopex wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An incest charge in 2021 means decades of harassment was justified?

Don't be obtuse, that wasn't what I said at all. Decades of posting all about your life online and doing insane things for internet fame, and even your own personal details means they can't cry when that attention isn't always positive. Chris is himself a troll. He has physically attacked a gamestop employee, his mother tried to run over another one. Again, if OP wanted to garner sympathy, Chris wasn't the example to…

Who used Chandler as an example to garner sympathy? Someone speculated Kiwi Farms started as a harmless place to joke about public figures. Someone else responded with the fact it started with stalking Chandler. Then it became an argument about notability.

Maybe your ranting about online fame would make sense if reading about this person was 1 of my hobbies. This person would be the unknown creator of a low quality web comic without Kiwi Farms and related groups as far as I know.

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by phendrenad2 »

pseudalopex wrote: post #45
phendrenad2 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the USA Today article says "allegedly". And you're right, everyone has already made up their mind based on feelings. That's the cool thing about facts, you don't have to do that.

> Even the USA Today article says "allegedly". The headline said Respected developer who was bullied online dies by suicide. My browser found allegedly nowhere in the article. I didn't see anything similar to allegedly when I skimmed it again. Could you point it out?[1] > And you're right, everyone has already made up their mind based on feelings. That's the cool thing about facts, you don't have to do that. Not what…

It says "allegedly", right there, in the article. I don't have to provide sources, just as USA Today doesn't.
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