For the price of one Tesla FSD, you could buy three Tern GSDs - an electric-powered bona fide car replacement that exists right now.
Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
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Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
#42It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…
> low reliability, low build quality These are improving at an astonishing rate, like a Web app rather than a car. Yes, this means the first ones were so bad they really shouldn’t have been shipped. But the newer models (of Y especially, X hasn’t been redesigned) are really a different world.
Have they fixed the panel gaps and paint issues?
Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
#43For anyone considering paying for this, check out Comma AI. It may do enough of what you're looking for, and it's only $2k.
Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the skepticism is reasonable, but that’s not really what my comment is about.
Are these outside "engineering and design" reviews from a big conflicted youtuber stockholder guy (Sandy Munroe)?
Yes, that’s one of them. What evidence do you have that he has a conflict of interest or is a shareholder?
Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would seem the market (and more current engineering and design reviews) disagrees with you!
There are many people who have bought FSD from Tesla, and have had their car reach end of life without ever getting to enjoy FSD. It's possible after being "less than a year away" for... a decade... that it may be less than a year away now. But it looks like a bit of skepticism has been earned.
Are Teslas really end of life after 8 years? Why such a limited lifespan?
Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
#46It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…
What are you talking about? I watch FSD progress, and it's clearly getting closer to human level driving. Just go on YouTube and compare FSD from two years ago to the latest. It's night and day. Yes, it still makes mistakes. Humans make mistakes all the time while driving. As for build quality, we haven't had any major problems with our Model 3. It's a great car. Tesla has a media problem, where every little problem…
YouTube can't provide enough information to make a determination about the reliability of a safety critical system. The video that ends up posted could be the best result of multiple attempts and many of the "testers" use hints like pressing the gas pedal or hitting the turn stalk to give the system more confidence in maneuvers that it's otherwise having trouble with. Further, many users who post bad experiences get negative feedback from their audience and sometimes even delete the video and DMCA people who re-host it.
Beyond the problems with YouTube as evidence, its very clear that Tesla isn't operating a proper safety lifecycle as part of the beta and its not clear that their approach and their current hardware is even capable of solving the remaining problems with FSD. Having already sold the hardware as FSD capable, Tesla has created a problem where the hardware drives the validation process of the system, rather than validation process driving the hardware. This is a fundamentally unsafe approach to safety critical systems.
Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
#47For the price of one Tesla FSD, you could buy three Tern GSDs - an electric-powered bona fide car replacement that exists right now. https://www.ternbicycles.com/en/bikes/472/gsd
Sir, that's an electric bike.
Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
#48I recently rented a 2022 Model 3 from Hertz for 9 days. It didn't have the FSD option available, but it did have the preview of what the system would see. Based on that alone, I was alternately impressed and terrified of what the FSD experience would be like. It was mostly accurate in showing other vehicles, but some of their trajectories when turning in front of me looked like a really bad video game with weird orientations and jumpiness. People crossing the road were sometimes picked up and sometimes not. It showed the traffic lights, but didn't display any understanding of turn lane traffic lights. I had the warning for following too close enabled, and it mostly worked but it got confused going through a parking lot once. If this is meant as an advertisement for FSD, I'm not convinced.
Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
But why? Is it because the early adopters were paying for a product that would never work? Feels like a good opportunity for a class action...
Because as it gets better, it provides more value. In its completed form it basically replaces a driver. Calculate how much it would cost to have drivers capable of driving 20 hours/day (rest spent charging). If they actually make it self-driving at a human level, it's value is clearly over $100K.
Can you help me locate the robotaxi fleet released in 2020?
Re: Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th
#50It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…
What are you talking about? I watch FSD progress, and it's clearly getting closer to human level driving. Just go on YouTube and compare FSD from two years ago to the latest. It's night and day. Yes, it still makes mistakes. Humans make mistakes all the time while driving. As for build quality, we haven't had any major problems with our Model 3. It's a great car. Tesla has a media problem, where every little problem…
The "media problem" is completely earned by Tesla. You know how you avoid bad press? By consistently under-promising while over-delivering and bending over backwards to keep your customers loyal and happy even after they've handed over their money so that when they need a new car they return to you.
German automakers are a great example of this. Whether it's gas or electric they significantly understate the performance and efficiency of their cars while in the real world they always exceed what they've promised.