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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by mulmen »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #16

controversial opinion: as much as everybody knows that China isn't exactly championing the western way of life and western democratic standards, I keep my private files in a Chinese cloud (backups are kept private in a NAS in my house). Why? Because they are not in contact with our authorities and, frankly, the chances my private files will be of any interest for Chinese authorities are close to zero. Not that I have…

You are very naïve.

In a recent comment thread I noted that my father’s generation went from fighting a bitter war with Vietnam to Apple building MacBooks there. My grandfather landed on D-Day and drove Volkswagen Beetles for most of his life.

None of us know what will happen in the future. China could become a close ally. They’re already an existential economic partner.

The only path to real privacy is personal sovereignty. If you don’t control the data it is public. Period.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by dudidrbtb »

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #31
mike_hock wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

And you can’t even escape these companies by moving to another country. They have their tendrils everywhere, except in places that consciously prevent them - which is usually done by even worse tyrannies like China/Russia. Always makes me laugh when I see employees of Google, Amazon etc. claiming to be “anti-fascist” and “standing in solidarity with the common man” etc etc…

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Post by free652 »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #16

controversial opinion: as much as everybody knows that China isn't exactly championing the western way of life and western democratic standards, I keep my private files in a Chinese cloud (backups are kept private in a NAS in my house). Why? Because they are not in contact with our authorities and, frankly, the chances my private files will be of any interest for Chinese authorities are close to zero. Not that I have…

Those countries would love to blackmail you. Just encrypt your data rclone would do that.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by isodev »

mike_hock wrote: post #20
soraminazuki wrote: post #15

> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

With the flick of a switch, they can deploy this technology to a global scale and way beyond protecting children. Imagine the feature propagating to their Chrome browser or their smart speakers "listening in" on what's happening in your home to "prevent" crimes by sending the cops whenever you raise your voice or say "the wrong things." This kind of power should not be in the hands of a single company.

Edit: I recently read this book called "The Every" which explores a similar scenario https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/57792078-the-every

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by bhedgeoser »

chasil wrote: post #35
soraminazuki wrote: post #15

> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

The article mentions two independent instances of this process within Google, where appeal is not possible even with a police report that completely exonerates the suspect. It sounds to me as if a class action lawsuit is the most appropriate remedy for the unfortunates who are caught in this predicament. Their only problem is finding each other. For the rest of us, it is unwise to use cloud storage for photos, for se…

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

gpt5 wrote: post #28
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #16

controversial opinion: as much as everybody knows that China isn't exactly championing the western way of life and western democratic standards, I keep my private files in a Chinese cloud (backups are kept private in a NAS in my house). Why? Because they are not in contact with our authorities and, frankly, the chances my private files will be of any interest for Chinese authorities are close to zero. Not that I have…

This is fine as long as you don’t plan to travel to China in the future.

Please explain why this is different from traveling to any other country.

I haven't been to the US since they made it legal for custom officers to search travelers' personal electronics without a warrant and deny entry if you refuse, because, thanks but no thanks.

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Post by tsol »

mike_hock wrote: post #20
soraminazuki wrote: post #15

> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

Unfortunately there are some issues that people get so angry over, they'll support fascism openly if it means being against it

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Post by judge2020 »

chasil wrote: post #35
soraminazuki wrote: post #15

> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

The article mentions two independent instances of this process within Google, where appeal is not possible even with a police report that completely exonerates the suspect. It sounds to me as if a class action lawsuit is the most appropriate remedy for the unfortunates who are caught in this predicament. Their only problem is finding each other. For the rest of us, it is unwise to use cloud storage for photos, for se…

They don’t block CSAM because “it’s illegal” - in fact, they can’t be forced to do it without it breaking your 4th amendment rights. Instead, all CSAM reporting and blocking is done at-will by these companies, and some don’t participate (Apple[0]), so it’s a policy decision by these companies.

I imagine unblocking someone due to them being exonerated by a government entity is legally risky - perhaps doing so would be considered enough proof/evidence to deem the entire CSAM scanning practice as a search/seizure at the request of the government.

0: https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/929-On... • “ According to NCMEC, I submitted 608 reports to NCMEC in 2019, and 523 reports in 2020. In those same years, Apple submitted 205 and 265 reports (respectively). It isn't that Apple doesn't receive more picture than my service, or that they don't have more CP than I receive. Rather, it's that they don't seem to notice and therefore, don't report.”

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Post by derac »

hosteur wrote: post #22
mikece wrote: post #4

I worked in a 1 Hour Photo when I was in college. The standing rule we had is that any photos of naked adults were not printed (the customer was given their negatives though). In the case of naked children if it was the typical "kid taking their first bath" it was fine but if there was any doubt we had a manager review it. I think we had to call the cops a couple times (more for passing the buck than making an offici…

Why would you not print naked adults?

Being forced to look at people's amateur porn at your job is pretty lame.
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