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PINE64 has let its community down

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Re: PINE64 has let its community down

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Post by bayindirh »

nominusllc wrote: post #3

Is drew pursuing being a pundit more these days? He always had a certain propensity for commentary, but it was usually about projects, but now seems to be more general commentary. This reads more like a disclaimer of someone who just saw the uproar around Pine64 and said "oh crap, I recommended those. better do some intellectual damage control". I like you drew, and I pay for your products. I make this post with a si…

> This reads more like a disclaimer of someone who just saw the uproar around Pine64 and said "oh crap, I recommended those. better do some intellectual damage control".

I don't think so. It all reads that "Hey, Pine64, You're ruining it. Get it together or you'll be in a worse shape".

With his prominence around certain circles, he's just making the situation tougher for Pine64, by making things even more visible, and I support that.

Re: PINE64 has let its community down

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Post by abnercoimbre »

ddevault wrote: post #7
nominusllc wrote: post #3

Is drew pursuing being a pundit more these days? He always had a certain propensity for commentary, but it was usually about projects, but now seems to be more general commentary. This reads more like a disclaimer of someone who just saw the uproar around Pine64 and said "oh crap, I recommended those. better do some intellectual damage control". I like you drew, and I pay for your products. I make this post with a si…

I write about the things which are important to me, and this is no different. FOSS belongs to all of us, and we each have a personal responsibility to make sure that the community is a positive force towards the ideals we aspire to. I take this responsibility very seriously. I have been aware of these developments for a long time, as many PINE64 community members are among my personal friends and collaborators. I had…

> However, critical ones tend to receive more coverage in places like HN

Does that incentivize an author to be more dramatic? At least in your case, you blog without the exclusive intention of reaching front pages. But it's interesting to always note the "outrage" incentive exists.

Re: PINE64 has let its community down

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Post by chylat »

shp0ngle wrote: post #12

I write it as someone who does not follow this space… …does “letting community down” matters? The phones and the open source seems to be open, can’t you just… put your own OS on there or whatever?

+1.

Installing another OS is trivial. Having Tow-Boot on SPI makes it slightly easier, and flashing Tow-Boot to the SPI is easy.

I don't understand how this minor issue has magnified to such drama.

I'm concerned this drama will make it less likely companies engage with communities.

Re: PINE64 has let its community down

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Post by chylat »

I don't feel let down by Pine64.

Pine64 produces affordable hardware that's easily hackable, and with more open schematics than most.

Pine64 fund a great community manager to collate and collaborate with the community.

Without Pine64, I don't think we'd have made as much progress as we have.

At this rate, we risk driving companies away from communities.

Re: PINE64 has let its community down

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Post by kaba0 »

nexthash wrote: post #37
kaba0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why manjaro over arch then? I’m not trying to start some distro flamewar, but manjaro is considered quite shady compared to basically all the other distros by taking arch maintainer’s work without attribution, as well as the recent HN post about them. Sure, settle on any of the distros, but the odd one.

Manjaro is #4 on Distrowatch as of this comment, while Arch is #27. Not saying that popularity is all that matters in a distro, but widespread adoption is really important in getting non-technical benefits such as funding, clout, and people willing to devote time to the project. About the shadiness: every project takes or is inspired by other projects, none have come up in a vacuum. Even with the sketchy reputation,…

Inspiration is absolutely not the crux of the problem, false attribution is.

Also, I would say that most of the Manjaro installs actually want an Arch install, they just don’t/can’t do the manual installation due to not having enough time/expertise. So these numbers are not really telling in my opinion.

Re: PINE64 has let its community down

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Post by RealStickman_ »

nexthash wrote: post #37
kaba0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why manjaro over arch then? I’m not trying to start some distro flamewar, but manjaro is considered quite shady compared to basically all the other distros by taking arch maintainer’s work without attribution, as well as the recent HN post about them. Sure, settle on any of the distros, but the odd one.

Manjaro is #4 on Distrowatch as of this comment, while Arch is #27. Not saying that popularity is all that matters in a distro, but widespread adoption is really important in getting non-technical benefits such as funding, clout, and people willing to devote time to the project. About the shadiness: every project takes or is inspired by other projects, none have come up in a vacuum. Even with the sketchy reputation,…

MX Linux has been #1 on distrowatch for ages. Do you know anyone using it?

Distrowatch doesn't (and can't) measure actual popularity or distro usage, only how many people clicked a link on their page.

Manjaro seems to be a rather poorly run distro.

1. They just blanket delay every package from Arch for two weeks for higher "stability". That includes security patches! [1]

2. Specifically on the Pinephone, they've shipped WIP patches to get the camera working, breaking a lot of stuff in the process and adding an additional burden on the project maintainers who now have to deal with manjaro's users in the issue tracker for something that hasn't been released officially. [2]

They've also managed to let one of their website certificates expire for the FOURTH time.

[1] https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/

[2] https://dont-ship.it/

Re: PINE64 has let its community down

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Post by heywoodlh »

RealStickman_ wrote: post #46
nexthash wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manjaro is #4 on Distrowatch as of this comment, while Arch is #27. Not saying that popularity is all that matters in a distro, but widespread adoption is really important in getting non-technical benefits such as funding, clout, and people willing to devote time to the project. About the shadiness: every project takes or is inspired by other projects, none have come up in a vacuum. Even with the sketchy reputation,…

MX Linux has been #1 on distrowatch for ages. Do you know anyone using it? Distrowatch doesn't (and can't) measure actual popularity or distro usage, only how many people clicked a link on their page. Manjaro seems to be a rather poorly run distro. 1. They just blanket delay every package from Arch for two weeks for higher "stability". That includes security patches! [1] 2. Specifically on the Pinephone, they've ship…

> MX Linux has been #1 on distrowatch for ages. Do you know anyone using it?

I have always been super confused about MX Linux being number one on distrowatch but have literally never heard of anyone running it in my (probably limited) circle of friends, colleagues, podcasts I listen to, etc.

I was aware that they just measured clicks on websites, but I would be super interested if there is any more info on why MX Linux is always number one on distrowatch? Do they use bots or something to generate traffic? Or do tons of people actually visit their site?

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