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Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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Post by saagarjha »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #38
it_citizen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change reports are all pretty clear we need to move to smaller, less powerful cars to meet our climate pledges. And produce less of them. I think starting to see cars as a simple mean to go from A to B instead of a symbol of freedom, status or virility would really be a huge win. I also hope that on the long run it would help more city dwellers accept the idea of sharing cars instead of owning one. Collective…

I don't have a "climate pledge", nor do I need to move to a smaller or less powerful car or demand that anybody else change their lifestyle. What I will do is keep an eye on what the ultra-rich "experts" who seem to be most concerned about climate change do. When they give up their mansions and yachts and islands and private jets, eat bugs and teleconference to Bilderberg, that's when I might reconsider my lifestyle.…

Yes, the best way to respond to a collective problem is wait for everyone else to do their part.

Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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Post by hooloovoo_zoo »

elif wrote: post #36

The perspective of this piece is a little suspicious: -ferrari still maintain that they will never produce electric cars -the concept of hub motors is a fad that has come and largely gone. Putting the motors inside the wheels leads to reliability concerns -motors with smaller diameter will need more power for the same performance of a larger diameter motor, and the battery is the heavy part Normally each of these i'd…

Ferrari has no choice. They’ll eventually be banned on noise pollution grounds/ be too low performance to be considered super cars if they stick with internal combustion.

Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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Post by alliao »

nimbius wrote: post #29
it_citizen wrote: post #20

While I like the technology aspect, I am secretly rooting for expensive cars to become uncool. Small boring self-driving cars, possibly collectively owned instead of big expensive individually owned cars often used as a proof of social status.

call me a skeptic, I've worked in the auto industry as a heavy engine master tech for over 20 years, but the same luxury manufacturers who can't make a v8 that lasts longer than 60k miles without a recall or major defect are not qualified to skip class and start making Ev's. Mercedes rolled out the 250 largely because biturbo has been a loss leading qc dumpster fire for the last decade. Audi can barely handle infotai…

what's a m5pvl gear?

Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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Post by clouddrover »

judge2020 wrote: post #35
clouddrover wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Technically all of those are covered under "otherwise has drawbacks they've judged significant" Pray tell, what are these significant drawbacks? > the Plaid is still the fastest car you can buy without dropping a half million Nope: https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23312956/lucid-air-sapphi...

> Lucid Air Sapphire will be offered as a limited-production model, with deliveries planned in the US and Canada next year. The price is $249,000 USD and $325,000 CAD. https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/introducing-sapphire-pin...

Yes. That's not half a million now, is it?

Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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Post by throwawaylinux »

saagarjha wrote: post #41
throwawaylinux wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a "climate pledge", nor do I need to move to a smaller or less powerful car or demand that anybody else change their lifestyle. What I will do is keep an eye on what the ultra-rich "experts" who seem to be most concerned about climate change do. When they give up their mansions and yachts and islands and private jets, eat bugs and teleconference to Bilderberg, that's when I might reconsider my lifestyle.…

Yes, the best way to respond to a collective problem is wait for everyone else to do their part.

Not everybody else, just a tiny privileged minority. The self-proclaimed experts -- those who allegedly listen to the science, and have their finger on the pulse of the issue, and who are the most flagrantly wasteful polluters on the planet. I mean from their actions it's not even clear that there is a problem at all, is it? Do you deny their knowledge and expertise?

Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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Post by clouddrover »

googlryas wrote: post #33
clouddrover wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Technically all of those are covered under "otherwise has drawbacks they've judged significant" Pray tell, what are these significant drawbacks? > the Plaid is still the fastest car you can buy without dropping a half million Nope: https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23312956/lucid-air-sapphi...

According to that article, that car isn't available yet and is only going to made in extremely limited numbers.

And? How many people do you think buy high performance cars? The answer is: not many.

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Post by Wistar »

shrubble wrote: post #31
bombcar wrote: post #7

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The idea of a motor on each wheel independent has obviously been considered, but what is often ignored is the sprung vs unsprung weight. You could develop a pretty amazing off-road vehicle with independent electric motors in each wheel, but it would be a relatively bumpy ride.

The Mercedes 300SL, the Gull Wing of 1954, already had inboard-mounted brakes to reduce unpsrung weight. I would assume that any Mercedes engineer would be familiar with the concept...

As do the Jaguar E and XJ types, and perhaps other Jags. The Audi 100, some Alfas and Lotus cars, too.

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Post by alliao »

it_citizen wrote: post #20

While I like the technology aspect, I am secretly rooting for expensive cars to become uncool. Small boring self-driving cars, possibly collectively owned instead of big expensive individually owned cars often used as a proof of social status.

expensive cars are already uncool. except amongst oligarchs I don't think many would profess their love of car interiors from like.. Bentley and it's hand stitched unashamed whole piece leather interior? or the busyness of Porsche and it's thousand button centre console. It's all just so excessive, and excess is definitely uncool nowadays

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Post by syzar »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #38
it_citizen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change reports are all pretty clear we need to move to smaller, less powerful cars to meet our climate pledges. And produce less of them. I think starting to see cars as a simple mean to go from A to B instead of a symbol of freedom, status or virility would really be a huge win. I also hope that on the long run it would help more city dwellers accept the idea of sharing cars instead of owning one. Collective…

I don't have a "climate pledge", nor do I need to move to a smaller or less powerful car or demand that anybody else change their lifestyle. What I will do is keep an eye on what the ultra-rich "experts" who seem to be most concerned about climate change do. When they give up their mansions and yachts and islands and private jets, eat bugs and teleconference to Bilderberg, that's when I might reconsider my lifestyle.…

I think among the ultra rich are very, very few climate experts and someone can be a hypocrite regarding their lifestyle while being correct about the need for change. People are local optimization machines and one can know that there is a great danger lurking in the future whilst over dosing on consumption.

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Post by chrisseaton »

metadat wrote: post #18
chrisseaton wrote: post #11

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Look like bog-standard saloon cars. What's your issue?

I saw an E-Mercedes in my neighborhood today. It was half minivan, half future, with a full plastic front, mostly transparent with no ventilation. What the heck, just.. why? I experienced a visceral negative reaction, like seeing a stillborn child. What are the people who make and purchase these physical atrocities thinking? How do they sleep at night?

I don’t know what ‘half future’ means. But they have plastic fronts for pedestrian crash safety and they can be full plastic unlike normal cars because they don’t need radiators. Same for ventilation - they don’t need cooling so no ventilation.
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