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Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Supposedly the funding for Google Cloud will go bye-bye if they don't beat Azure by 2023. Source on this? Also, Amazon was just an eCommerce store before AWS.

This article/rumor from 2018-ish: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21815260

I wouldn't put too much stock into something from 2018, which was a 3rd party report on a meeting in 2016.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#42
post #33

Deprecation as a Service?

Google regrets to inform you that its Google Graveyard service deprecation service (aka Project Pallbearer) has now reached the end of its life and is deprecated.

-This message generated by Google Graveyard service deprecation service

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#43
post #32

Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) bring in multiple billions of revenue a year from enterprise. The company invested billions in new data centers and transferred large parts of intenral technical infrastructure into cloud to build these products over a decade. If Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) shut down, not only will large # of enterprises howl (data gravity is huge), Google will absolutely ha…

Large revenue numbers don’t guarantee large profits. Sometimes you’re just losing more money, faster.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#44
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I don't know why anyone would build anything that relies on a google offering these days. What are they going to discontinue next?

Supposedly the funding for Google Cloud will go bye-bye if they don't beat Azure by 2023. They won't axe all of Google Cloud, but I bet they'll start killing services that don't make money. (Remember: Google is an advertising company; loss-leading cloud services don't help them sell ads)

nah the article was really overblown. 'we've approved budget for five years. and our goal is to beat azure.' more or less, but that doesnt mean in five years there wouldn't be more budget approved, and it didnt seem like an ultimatum connecting the two. businesses dont plan infinite years out.

while google cloud as a whole i dont see going away, individual products within it(like iot core) are gonna always be up for the chopping block

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS has never discontinued one of their services? Not trolling, seriously asking (I don't use hyperscalers)

Ec2 classic networking is going away this month. But that's ancient technology at this point.

Migration paths and assistance have been repeatedly sent out though - you’d have to literally not care about the system to have this impact you.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#46
I've been a defender of GCP in the past, and I've been quick to point out that while Google has a reputation for killing products, GCP has been fairly stable. This, however, changes my opinion.

I've been successfully using Cloud IoT for a few years. Now I need to find an alternative. There's a vendor named ClearBlade that announced today a direct migration path, but at this point I'd rather roll my own.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#47
post #32

Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) bring in multiple billions of revenue a year from enterprise. The company invested billions in new data centers and transferred large parts of intenral technical infrastructure into cloud to build these products over a decade. If Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) shut down, not only will large # of enterprises howl (data gravity is huge), Google will absolutely ha…

AWS doesn't do this. AWS keeps around old deprecated services that they aren't developing new features for, in perpetuity (e.g. SimpleDB). They might not launch that service into new regions, but they will keep it around in existing regions to not break customers who depend on it.

This is a reflection of AWS being "customer obsessed" where Google is not.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#48
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hahaa; wow. So, we were doing this sensor project; and I picked "boring" things like raspberry-pi, python scripts, wiring the GPIO with a screw-down terminal or using SDR for other off-the shelf sensors to build the network. And in one of the demos showing our very low-budget type project a reviewer said: "you should look at IoT managers like the G offering, we're using it". So, they declined to use our methods and b…

I hate the current trend of smearing your business logic across dozens of third-party providers with various business goals that rarely align with yours.

I'm also not confident that the constant churn of keeping up with API changes (if not outright deprecations like this) and costs of the third-party services end up costing you more than just doing it yourself.

Finally, what we've seen with Okta, Twilio, most recently MailChimp (which was used to attempt to attack DigitalOcean customers among others) clearly shows that these companies aren't magic and may not actually be any better than doing it yourself when it comes to security.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS has never discontinued one of their services? Not trolling, seriously asking (I don't use hyperscalers)

Ec2 classic networking is going away this month. But that's ancient technology at this point.

As in "the second AWS product launched", and has been deprecated since 2013, which is around the time GCP became more than just App Engine.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#50
post #32

Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) bring in multiple billions of revenue a year from enterprise. The company invested billions in new data centers and transferred large parts of intenral technical infrastructure into cloud to build these products over a decade. If Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) shut down, not only will large # of enterprises howl (data gravity is huge), Google will absolutely ha…

There's a lot of money in IoT; it's just not rapid growth. It's a business line that will require years of enterprise sales followed by the integration work. This video of from 2019 shows Volkswagon starting a rollout of AWS's IoT cloud for 122 factories world wide. I don't think Google is good at running a business with multiyear sales cycle followed by multiyear scale-ups to starting making money.

https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/volkswagen-vid...

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