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On being tired

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Re: On being tired

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As I age, I've learned to distinguish "not being excited" (languor) and "being tired" (exhaustion), which to my younger self felt like the same thing. The former is not always caused by a lack of energy, but also excessive idleness, especially if I'm doing things that requires attention but also isn't intellectually stimulating. When the author refers to "normal tired" and "dead tired", I think that echoes with my tw…

These being tired and fighting exhaustion with exercise threads must be a dread to read for anybody who works hard physically. But I'm in the same privileged or at least not working physically position and I found most correlation with number of tasks I'm focusing on. If there are too many things at once or none of them stands out, I'm more likely to feel tired. If I'm focusing on a specific thing associated with spe…

I feel like for me that’s because progress in one direction implies lack of progress in other directions of concern. That’s scales with the number of things you’re trying to get done.

That’s why I think long running work streams with focus are so important. Context switching has cost beyond just the startup and tear down.

Re: On being tired

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In the UK it is really hot and we are in drought.

I am tired. I hope to get my energy levels back up as all I want to do is sleep.

I take iron liquid supplement but I don't know what's causing it.

Some days I have energy and can be on the computer until late. Other days I don't want to know.

Re: On being tired

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I believe that there is a general tiredness affecting large parts of the population. Maybe some side effects of covid-19 / the vaccines or maybe it’s completely unrelated and more psychological in nature like lack of deeper meaning in most people's lives. All I know is that you have to fight it. this tiredness doesn't go away with more rest. On the contrary, your self-esteem will take a hit and you will internalise y…

This 'general tiredness' you're referring to seems to be linked to depressive states, whereas the blog post is more about exhausting yourself by trying to solve every little challenge you come across:

> Another key observation is that this tiredness I’ve been feeling is different from depression. I’ve experienced the latter in the past on a few occasions and while there are similarities in how they impact your life, I’d put them in different buckets. If only for the reason that I haven’t encountered these current experiences before.

Maybe it's a little bit of both; lack of motivation gradually eating at your reserves and transforming you into a generally tired person.

Re: On being tired

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This is dangerous advice, it really depends on what you're tired from and you can't apply it generally. Eg tiredness caused by actual, diagnosed, Long Covid often does go away with more rest. In fact, even a tiny bit too much, too soon, can severely set back your recovery. To my understanding, parent's "just will yourself back into shape" advice is the exact opposite of what long covid patients should be told. (Sourc…

To let you drag down by outer circumstances is more dangerous in my opinion. When you start running even if you would rather lay in bed that generates a lot of self-esteem. The resulting positive attitude may even be good for your immune system. In some unfortunate situations you need to take some risks to get out of it.

It's not always about attitude, sometimes it's about physical healing. Sometimes, your body really just needs rest. Stop telling people stuff you don't know enough about.

Re: On being tired

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As I age, I've learned to distinguish "not being excited" (languor) and "being tired" (exhaustion), which to my younger self felt like the same thing. The former is not always caused by a lack of energy, but also excessive idleness, especially if I'm doing things that requires attention but also isn't intellectually stimulating. When the author refers to "normal tired" and "dead tired", I think that echoes with my tw…

This hits the nail on the head for me. Interestingly, I only came to this realization later in life as well. I've always thought of myself as "tired" but the real problem is I require an exceptionally high stimulating environment to excite me out of langour.

Exercise. Video games. Occasionally (rarely?) an academic subject that I am good at and interests me can also elicit this excitement and energy.

But in general I go about life in a rather "depressed" mode. Most tasks are done not because I feel that little kick to do them, but because I know if I don't my life will be worse.

I often wish I was more naturally excited by things which are less stimulating. I waste a lot of time just satisfying that part of my brain that craves stimulation and novelty. It's really a shame, because I truly do wish I were spending that time on productive or meaningful pursuits.

I've wondered over the years why I'm this way, when I work among peers who seem to get stimulation from reading such arcane topics as linux kernel development.

I can only assume in my case the root cause is video games + the internet. I'm in my mid 30s and have had a video game in my hand since I was 5 or 6 (original game boy). If my spare time wasn't spent playing video games, it's spent on the lottery game of social media / the internet over the years. I'm only just starting to work on undoing the damage these mediums have done to my motivation and stimulation center. If I'm honest, part of me doubts I'll ever be able to be genuinely excited about some of the hard work that I wish I could be excited about, but the thought of living the rest of my life essentially a slave to stimulating media is a depressing thought. I want to create interesting things, which means I need to be genuinely excited to learn new subjects.

Re: On being tired

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I've spent the last couple of years at the two bottom levels of that scale. It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize one of the root causes: my wife and I have fundamentally different personalities that are at odds with each other. My wife is an extrovert. She is energized by going out, visiting places, doing things, meeting people. I'm an introvert. I get energized by staying in, reading a book, watching a…

If her extroversion isn't strictly social, maybe you kind find activities that allow you both to recharge.

A camping trip for example could allow you an opportunity to read, and enjoy nature, and give her the opportunity to explore (hike, kayak, forage, etc.)

If that doesn't work you may also just consider doing different things on most weekends, and making explicit time for each other for a nice dinner, a movie, or something more traditionally 'dating'.

Re: On being tired

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Fatigue is not only a mental thing as many assume. What really happens is our cells are gradually accumulating Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS) while we are awake, and when a certain threshold of ROS is reached, we feel tiredness.

This is a defensive mechanism of a living organism to keep ROS levels at bay. But what happens if one ignores the fatigue? ROS cellular levels will continue to climb up to the point of a pathological cell destruction. The thing is ROS are chemically active and when there are too much of them, you are asking for problems. Such as: broken enzymes in mitochondria, overoxidized lipids, damages of DNA and mtDNA - it all starts to accumulate. This is when a fatigue may gradually transform into one of the physical diseases. Cardio-vascular problems, T2DM, cognitive impairment, ME/CFS. The list go on and on [1].

So, if you often feel tired then you should be very aware of the underlying biochemical processes. It's all mental until it's physical and hardly reversible.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation

[2] https://hms.harvard.edu/news/sleep-death-gut

Re: On being tired

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Also high CO2 in working and sleeping areas. Basically any older building without HVAC and with upgraded (double pane) windows.

Most home HVAC systems don’t bring in fresh air, right? Just recirculate air in the house.

Newer homes are supposed to have heat recovery ventilators, which do bring in fresh air even if all windows are closed.

Re: On being tired

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As I age, I've learned to distinguish "not being excited" (languor) and "being tired" (exhaustion), which to my younger self felt like the same thing. The former is not always caused by a lack of energy, but also excessive idleness, especially if I'm doing things that requires attention but also isn't intellectually stimulating. When the author refers to "normal tired" and "dead tired", I think that echoes with my tw…

I have to agree. Exercise and music-making both reenergize me out of a state of mental exhaustion after work.

Physical exhaustion is different: its only cure is a nap.

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