Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 104 posts

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

#41

Post by dahdum »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #38
rayiner wrote: post #25

It’s part of a broader effort to manipulate Asians’ perceptions about facts relevant to their self interest. Asians are half as likely to be shot by police than whites, and a third less likely to be incarcerated. The cost-benefit curves for Asians when it comes to policing and criminal justice are markedly different than for other voter groups. And that’s a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. So what happene…

AAPI is such a strange acronym. So lopsided with 5 billion Asians on one side and the 2 million Pacific Islanders on the other

AAPI is only for the US, where there are about ~19m Asian Americans and ~1.5m Pacific Islanders. Still lopsided but a lot less so.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

#42

Post by camgunz »

rayiner wrote: post #25

It’s part of a broader effort to manipulate Asians’ perceptions about facts relevant to their self interest. Asians are half as likely to be shot by police than whites, and a third less likely to be incarcerated. The cost-benefit curves for Asians when it comes to policing and criminal justice are markedly different than for other voter groups. And that’s a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. So what happene…

The tweet is wrong, and your suggestion that the Biden administration is hiding Asian crime victimization stats in order to maintain its 2020 voting coalition is inflammatory and unsubstantiated.

Burry cites the Criminal Victimization report from 2019 [0] and 2020 [1]. Each of these reports contains a table with victimization by type of crime and demographics of victim (table 9 for 2019 and table 6 for 2020), and each includes "Asian" as a demographic category.

The 2018 report contains the same table (table 9), also with "Asian" as a category.

The CV reports are summaries of the National Crime Victimization Survey, which is just a big pile of data. People are free to analyze it themselves [3].

I don't know what Burry is screenshotting here. The images look like the CV reports, but the table numbers don't match. They don't even match his link. Regardless, this seems spurious; there's no evidence of an effort to bury anything.

[0]: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv19.pdf

[1]: https://bjs.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh236/files/media/docu...

[2]: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

[3]: https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/web/NACJD/studies/38090

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

#43

Post by panda88888 »

rayiner wrote: post #25

It’s part of a broader effort to manipulate Asians’ perceptions about facts relevant to their self interest. Asians are half as likely to be shot by police than whites, and a third less likely to be incarcerated. The cost-benefit curves for Asians when it comes to policing and criminal justice are markedly different than for other voter groups. And that’s a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. So what happene…

One thing I found interesting is seeing Asian faces in groups supporting race conscious college admission policies that goes directly against their interest and stereotypes Asians as book nerds lacking personality and leadership qualities. Often they are 3rd or later generation immigrants whose parents and grandparents fought discrimination and worked excessively hard to get them where they are today—comfy middle/middle-upper class via emphasis on education as the stepping stone to prosperity. Now they are working to make it more difficult for less well off Asians to attain better lives.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

#44

Post by cuteboy19 »

camgunz wrote: post #42
rayiner wrote: post #25

It’s part of a broader effort to manipulate Asians’ perceptions about facts relevant to their self interest. Asians are half as likely to be shot by police than whites, and a third less likely to be incarcerated. The cost-benefit curves for Asians when it comes to policing and criminal justice are markedly different than for other voter groups. And that’s a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. So what happene…

The tweet is wrong, and your suggestion that the Biden administration is hiding Asian crime victimization stats in order to maintain its 2020 voting coalition is inflammatory and unsubstantiated. Burry cites the Criminal Victimization report from 2019 [0] and 2020 [1]. Each of these reports contains a table with victimization by type of crime and demographics of victim (table 9 for 2019 and table 6 for 2020), and eac…

You are looking at the wrong tables and PDFs. Burry is pointing at cv18 table14 vs cv19 table16 in the photos. Note that this has the race of both the victim and the offender.

Additionally, Burry is citing that victim vs offender race table itself missing in cv20 which btw is an even more grave omission.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

#45

Post by yunyu »

panda88888 wrote: post #43
rayiner wrote: post #25

It’s part of a broader effort to manipulate Asians’ perceptions about facts relevant to their self interest. Asians are half as likely to be shot by police than whites, and a third less likely to be incarcerated. The cost-benefit curves for Asians when it comes to policing and criminal justice are markedly different than for other voter groups. And that’s a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. So what happene…

One thing I found interesting is seeing Asian faces in groups supporting race conscious college admission policies that goes directly against their interest and stereotypes Asians as book nerds lacking personality and leadership qualities. Often they are 3rd or later generation immigrants whose parents and grandparents fought discrimination and worked excessively hard to get them where they are today—comfy middle/mid…

Zero Asians have ever benefited from any affirmative action policies in US college admissions, regardless of their socioeconomic status

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

#46

Post by rayiner »

tptacek wrote: post #35
rayiner wrote: post #25

It’s part of a broader effort to manipulate Asians’ perceptions about facts relevant to their self interest. Asians are half as likely to be shot by police than whites, and a third less likely to be incarcerated. The cost-benefit curves for Asians when it comes to policing and criminal justice are markedly different than for other voter groups. And that’s a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. So what happene…

Everything in this comment seems well-founded and insightful, except and that's a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition . The Biden coalition is actively, overtly pro-policing, for the obvious reason that the majority of the Democratic coalition is pro-policing. Asian Americans are no part at all of the coalition's challenge, as any graph of educational attainment by race will show you; as a demographic, for '2…

I’m talking about keeping Asians in the fold long term, in a party where the folks who think the SATs are racist and what to defund the police and think corporate boards should have quotas are, even if not yet dominant, ascendant.

College educated Asians aren’t similarly situated to college educated whites. Progressivism gives white democrats a vehicle for using institutions to advance their cultural values. Asians meanwhile are on the receiving end of that. When an Asian writes a diversity or hardship essay, they are appealing to white peoples’ views of what that means.

Progressives adopting an offensive posture on cultural issues—where they not only want to keep Christian evangelism out of schools, but want to teach Asian kids what Judith Butler thinks about the nature of humans—and republicans learning to frame cultural issues in non-religious terms (like Youngkin) change the script on that.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

#48

Post by camgunz »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #44
camgunz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tweet is wrong, and your suggestion that the Biden administration is hiding Asian crime victimization stats in order to maintain its 2020 voting coalition is inflammatory and unsubstantiated. Burry cites the Criminal Victimization report from 2019 [0] and 2020 [1]. Each of these reports contains a table with victimization by type of crime and demographics of victim (table 9 for 2019 and table 6 for 2020), and eac…

You are looking at the wrong tables and PDFs. Burry is pointing at cv18 table14 vs cv19 table16 in the photos. Note that this has the race of both the victim and the offender. Additionally, Burry is citing that victim vs offender race table itself missing in cv20 which btw is an even more grave omission.

Oh I see. That's super confusing. Regardless, there are other tables that contain stats on Asian victimization in the reports, including 2020. These are just reports; they're not meant to be longitudinal across years.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

#49

Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #46
tptacek wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything in this comment seems well-founded and insightful, except and that's a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition . The Biden coalition is actively, overtly pro-policing, for the obvious reason that the majority of the Democratic coalition is pro-policing. Asian Americans are no part at all of the coalition's challenge, as any graph of educational attainment by race will show you; as a demographic, for '2…

I’m talking about keeping Asians in the fold long term, in a party where the folks who think the SATs are racist and what to defund the police and think corporate boards should have quotas are, even if not yet dominant, ascendant. College educated Asians aren’t similarly situated to college educated whites. Progressivism gives white democrats a vehicle for using institutions to advance their cultural values. Asians m…

You keep making the same mistake. The party doesn't think the SATs are racist. Weirdos on Twitter and in elite college administrations do. The party opposes defunding the police. They're not ascendant; they're laughingstocks.

If you confine your analysis to "progressives", I'll shut up about it. I somewhat agree with you. But when you drag the Democratic party in it, or, even less plausibly, Biden, I'm going to object.

As punishment for your deployment of this canard, I'll observe that the fringe progressive wing of the Democratic party gets roflstomped in elections for national office, while the fringe conspiracy-theory wing of the Republican party controls the Republican party.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

#50

Post by rayiner »

panda88888 wrote: post #43
rayiner wrote: post #25

It’s part of a broader effort to manipulate Asians’ perceptions about facts relevant to their self interest. Asians are half as likely to be shot by police than whites, and a third less likely to be incarcerated. The cost-benefit curves for Asians when it comes to policing and criminal justice are markedly different than for other voter groups. And that’s a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. So what happene…

One thing I found interesting is seeing Asian faces in groups supporting race conscious college admission policies that goes directly against their interest and stereotypes Asians as book nerds lacking personality and leadership qualities. Often they are 3rd or later generation immigrants whose parents and grandparents fought discrimination and worked excessively hard to get them where they are today—comfy middle/mid…

Typically, they’re assimilated into white elite society and have the social and cultural capital immigrants lack. If the SAT is replaced with essays and extra-curriculars, they’ll know what to do for their own kids.
Post reply on HN