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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by Jugurtha »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

Yes. Some do it in Marseille, France.

Citizens of many countries would be in big trouble if they have a stamp from Israeli customs on their passports. Customs apparently issue a separate document not to put a stamp on the passport as a result. This enabled many tourists who are "not supposed" to go there to nonetheless go there.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by vladvasiliu »

kshacker wrote: post #32
chmod600 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some nuance here. We have free speech in the US. Freedom means choice, so there's still an obligation to act morally. China is more than willing to manipulate cultural messages with money, so we need some kind of cultural counter to that. For instance, see how China manipulated the NBA and Activision Blizzard during the Hong Kong protests.

As part of free speech, can a company from somewhere in south send out parts in boxes with confederate flag on the box? We make decisions to curtail free speech everyday so how's this different?

I'm not American, so I may be missing some details, but is that actually not allowed? Or is it rather the case that some people may not like that, so companies try to avoid upsetting some customers?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by yunohn »

traceroute66 wrote: post #26
lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

> This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. To be fair, it's not fair to use this as an occasion for Apple bashing or America bashing. The whole Taiwan thing goes much deeper. For example, if you look at ISO3166, the country code standard. If you look up Taiwan in ISO3166[1], you will see it listed as "Taiwan (Province of China)…

Well yes, like all the other “neutral” international bodies, the ISO is dictated by its more powerful members.

Taiwan is not a member, and been intentionally and continuously excluded.

Source: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3812381

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by sneak »

warning26 wrote: post #7
Pulcinella wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taiwan calls itself China. The official name is literally the Republic of China. Both China and Taiwan agree that there is just one China, but disagree about what formal unification would or should look like. Edit: The USA also agrees that there is one China, at least officially, though it’s not like the US doesn’t like to change its mind frequently. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Communiqué

Everyone knows Taiwan is its own country, the US et all merely engage in the "one china" pretense to keep the PRC happy.

Yes, but the own country on the island of Taiwan is called the "Republic of China".

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by horsawlarway »

kshacker wrote: post #32
chmod600 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some nuance here. We have free speech in the US. Freedom means choice, so there's still an obligation to act morally. China is more than willing to manipulate cultural messages with money, so we need some kind of cultural counter to that. For instance, see how China manipulated the NBA and Activision Blizzard during the Hong Kong protests.

As part of free speech, can a company from somewhere in south send out parts in boxes with confederate flag on the box? We make decisions to curtail free speech everyday so how's this different?

> As part of free speech, can a company from somewhere in south send out parts in boxes with confederate flag on the box?

Yes. Yes they can.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by chrchang523 »

jhbadger wrote: post #18
Pulcinella wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taiwan calls itself China. The official name is literally the Republic of China. Both China and Taiwan agree that there is just one China, but disagree about what formal unification would or should look like. Edit: The USA also agrees that there is one China, at least officially, though it’s not like the US doesn’t like to change its mind frequently. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Communiqué

Both East Germany (when it existed) and West Germany were "Germany" and at least theoretically belived their government was the legitimate one for the whole territory, but products made in both were generally distinguished on their labels.

That isn't the issue here; the requested "Taiwan, China"/"Chinese Taipei" labeling does still distinguish the source.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by PuddleOfSausage »

traceroute66 wrote: post #26
lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

> This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. To be fair, it's not fair to use this as an occasion for Apple bashing or America bashing. The whole Taiwan thing goes much deeper. For example, if you look at ISO3166, the country code standard. If you look up Taiwan in ISO3166[1], you will see it listed as "Taiwan (Province of China)…

Just a note, the ISO standard and the United Nations are intrinsically linked. A country can only enter ISO 3166-1 if it appears in the United Nations Terminology Bulletin 'Country Names'. And I suppose one could argue the UN is not neutral.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by sam_dal »

traceroute66 wrote: post #26
lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

> This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. To be fair, it's not fair to use this as an occasion for Apple bashing or America bashing. The whole Taiwan thing goes much deeper. For example, if you look at ISO3166, the country code standard. If you look up Taiwan in ISO3166[1], you will see it listed as "Taiwan (Province of China)…

Apparently it's Kissinger's fault (with the secret treaty with China). From then on UN stopped recognizing Taiwan and gave the seat to China. See this video at 16min mark [1] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5POKVD8XMg).

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by josephcsible »

kps wrote: post #31
josephcsible wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Emirates cannot trade with Israel Is "cannot" really accurate? Isn't it more like they voluntarily chose not to do so?

Used to. Israel and UAE normalized relations in 2020 and signed a free trade deal this spring.

Sure. My point is just that the UAE could have done that whenever they wanted; nobody was ever forcing them to not trade with Israel.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by k12sosse »

sneak wrote: post #34
lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

> they always have an eye on Chinese profits Not really. Pretty much every iPhone sold everywhere is manufactured in China, and they all use chips from Taiwan. There is no Apple without China. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals, working in Chinese-jurisdiction factories, produce Apple's products. Without the full consent and cooperation of the Chinese government, there are no Apple products . Full stop.

One can dream.
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