I believe the next evolution in generative images is stringing them together!
If you can come up with the key frames with descriptions of the same style, a neat little program can interpolate them and produce a generative movie!
DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes
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#42Amazed we haven't seen more DALL-E / Midjourney on HN. Probably the most astonishing new tech I've used since booting up a computer in the 90s. Just generating images is barely doing the tools justice though - you can create entire mini movies with it, like SALT (a 70s sci-fi adventure happening on Twitter): https://twitter.com/SALT_VERSE/status/1536799731774537733 DALL-E's inpainting feature is incredibly powerful t…
here's one i did recently:
https://vimeo.com/724055394
a reading of dreamtigers by jorge luis borges
images created using @openaidalle. sequencing and morphing in #python with credit to András Jankovics morphing library [github.com/jankovicsandras/autoimagemorph]. featuring borderlands granular synth (artist template: @kingbritt), other desert cities delay by audio.damage , #rymdigare reverb, mixed in #kymaticaaum.
headphones recommended, awards eligible
(text here: thefloatinglibrary.com/2008/09/02/dreamtigers/ )
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#43Generating images seems almost a solved problem. What’s the next big problem to solve in this space?
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you tried creating it in multiple steps, using the "Edit" button? You can erase the parts of the image you want to change, and you can even change the prompt at each step. If the pig or donkey doesn't look right, you could erase just that part of the image using the same prompt to get a different look. For example, to create the image you want, I would: 1. Start with the basic prompt: "a pig and donkey playing p…
Yes, I have tried a lot, and still haven't gotten close to the desired end-effect. I maybe want to shift my claim. I am not sure that it's impossible to create this particular image but that it's almost certainly cheaper to hire someone to draw the exact image I have in mind. I think there is also a new proffesion comming: a DALL-E prompter job.
> I think there is also a new profession coming: a DALL-E prompter job.
Exactly, except we call this job "Artist" or "Programmer".
Whenever something like this comes along and people decry that it will "replace artists" or "replace programmers"... someone needs to generate the inputs to get what they want. Nothing helps solve the "But I know what I mean" problem. Either it's not good enough to do "general purpose" tasks, or it is, but it needs coaxing and someone who understands interacting with the systems well enough to get the desired output.
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Because it’s a novelty abused for attention with clickbait popculture references. It’s not ready for primetime.
"photography is a novelty abused for attention, it's not ready for primetime and cannot replace a great painter"
Photography is an instrument the results of which are strongly dependent from the ability of the artist and technologist adopting it.
To the best of my understanding, DALL-E offers limited control and cannot be compared to a brush with paint, a photocamera, a virtual canvas for curves for illustration, a coding console.
Why? Because the weight of the user, its "importance", its "impact", is limited with that tool. (A commissioner is not an artist. A photographer may be.)
As HN member Moe wrote, «Bad analogies are like Vietnam».
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#46During the beta, i must have done thousands of requests and was initially blown away, but now i can tell the "look" of a Dall-e generated image... it has these weird blurry spots that make it seem like a memory of a dream - the main schema is there but if you focus on any one point, the illusion is broken. Looking forward to the day that it is so polished that I cannot differentiate it from a human art piece.
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#47Lots of weird artifacts which are very hard to fix. The argument that users can now generate professional grade art by bypassing artists entirely feels so strange. I have access to Dall-E. To generate images without artifacts, you have to do one of these: a) Do a lot of cherry-picking which can be expensive. b) Prompt should be about an abstract concept which can "tolerate" any number of artifacts. c) Prompt should b…
These feel like tools for creativity. Although the end result might not be masterful, it's super cool for quick iteration and exploration.
Suddenly, people who don't have the skills to do that can start doing it and once you pick an output I totally see how you can improve on it manually.
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#48During the beta, i must have done thousands of requests and was initially blown away, but now i can tell the "look" of a Dall-e generated image... it has these weird blurry spots that make it seem like a memory of a dream - the main schema is there but if you focus on any one point, the illusion is broken. Looking forward to the day that it is so polished that I cannot differentiate it from a human art piece.
> that I cannot differentiate
I suggest that you aim for the day in which critics «cannot differentiate it from a human art piece».
(We already have plenty of contexts in which the layman can be fooled. Think e.g. of "populism" in political discourse.)
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#49Amazed we haven't seen more DALL-E / Midjourney on HN. Probably the most astonishing new tech I've used since booting up a computer in the 90s. Just generating images is barely doing the tools justice though - you can create entire mini movies with it, like SALT (a 70s sci-fi adventure happening on Twitter): https://twitter.com/SALT_VERSE/status/1536799731774537733 DALL-E's inpainting feature is incredibly powerful t…
Because if you spend more than 5 minutes with it you can determine numerous things about the "astonishing" images you have seen
1) the amount of human curation is huge. For every 1 good image shared there are dozen of utter crap not shared
2) Dalle fails in some very systemic ways that make it completely unsuitable for vast swathes of image generation (for instance the "N kittens problem" . Dalle is amazing at generating a picture of 1 kitten. Dalle is dreadful a generating a picture of 8 kittens and that is totally fundamental to how it works, not a bug that can be worked out with time.) Also basically anything that requires recognisable detail in the background, Dalle falls flat.
3) prompt parsing is simultaneously hit and miss as well as laughably primitive. This is the "without" problem. Ask for a picture without some feature and there is a good chance you will get that thing in the picture.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, I have tried a lot, and still haven't gotten close to the desired end-effect. I maybe want to shift my claim. I am not sure that it's impossible to create this particular image but that it's almost certainly cheaper to hire someone to draw the exact image I have in mind. I think there is also a new proffesion comming: a DALL-E prompter job.
> I think there is also a new profession coming: a DALL-E prompter job. Exactly, except we call this job "Artist" or "Programmer". Whenever something like this comes along and people decry that it will "replace artists" or "replace programmers"... someone needs to generate the inputs to get what they want. Nothing helps solve the "But I know what I mean" problem. Either it's not good enough to do "general purpose" ta…
I agree with all you say with the exception that it is very distinct from being a programmer or an artist like a painter or graphical designer.
As a programmer I love that when I type [i*i for i in range(10)] I can predict the output and that the output will always be the same. I get frustrated if the same action produces unexpected and non-reproducible results.
Good Dall-e prompter is more like a guide who can navigate through the unknowns. He knows how to use seemingly meaningless words to manipulate the beast. I think it's some form of art and at the same time like being a technician of a complex machinery or wild animal trainer.