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The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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post #25

Regardless of all the FUD against Pluton, it has a great feature, it is yet another CPU with hardware memory tagging, as the last resort against C flaws and derived languages.

FUD is no longer FUD when it becomes a realistic danger.

Given that remote attestation already had deleterious effects for user freedoms on smartphones and tablets (meaning, choose between banking apps and any deviation from the factory ROM), Pluton should be seen as a danger.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

#42
post #2

Ew. Why are all the chip manufacturers going along with this stupid plan? I want to buy a processor and then own it and have it work in my best interests, not consume electricity and generatie heat enforcing draconian 3rd party DRM policies.

It sounds like you can still do that. Other people will get to decide if you can use their services with your device, but (unlike an iPhone, for example) it's still your device to do as you please with.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not mentioned in the article - but it begs the question, could this have something to do with Microsoft's insistence that everyone, even Pro users in the next update, use a Microsoft Account with Windows 11? If Pluton (or Pluton 2, someday) could be tied to a Microsoft Account, wouldn't that be something.

Is it okay to talk about language as a meta-topic? I try not to stray too far into that, since it’s usually boring for readers. But one thing I was surprised to learn is that “begs the question” is only correct when you’re describing a chain of circular logic. “Raises the question” is apparently the right term for the general case. I felt a little duped, since I’d been using “begs the question” for years without look…

I purposefully "misuse" the phrase "begging the question" to mean the same thing as the grandparent, because I want to do my part to change what this phrase means.

Using "begging the question" to mean something as obscure and unintuitive (as in, it's basically an idiom that must be explained first) as "your question originates from circular logic" is a waste of prime dictionary space.

This term should mean "there is a question that is so blindingly obvious regarding the situation at hand, that it simply begs to be asked" - so, more or less what everyone who didn't have the term explained to them, thinks it's supposed to mean.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

#44
post #7

I'm not hyped about most of the DRM stuff (and yeah, frog boiling is definitely a worry, though I don't know how we could ever end up with devices that can't boot alternative OSes just cuz of how servers are set up). But I am personally glad to see hardware-level key stores show up on all CPUs. Maybe this is already a thing and I'm being duped by Apple for thinking it's good, but it feels good to me.

I'm not really worried myself that alternative Operating Systems will be locked out. However, I am concerned that the functionality of alternative Operating Systems will be locked out. If you see the (speculative but grounded) area near the end of the article - imagine if assertion becomes popular for things such as games or digital movies or the school WiFi. Your Linux PC will never be able to do that, and WINE (pro…

> imagine if assertion becomes popular for things such as [...] digital movies

You don't need that. Streaming is already crippled on Linux. Hell, Netflix won't even stream full quality on Chrome!

> https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444

    4K Ultra HD on a computer

    Netflix is available in Ultra HD on Windows and Mac computers with:

      Microsoft Edge for Windows

      Windows app for Windows 10 and Windows 11

      Safari for MacOS 11.0 or later

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

#46
I'm completely missing how his example of a Word document that can only be opened by approved users on approved hardware within the corporation is supposed to be a bad thing.

Honestly, that sounds pretty fantastic. I've been using 3rd party tools/extensions to do this sort of thing in corporate and government environments for years, but having the attestation go all the way down to the hardware level is a big value-add, especially with so much ransomware/spyware/extortion/espionage going on these days.

Can someone please explain to me how the author might see this level of security as a bad thing?

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

#50

I'm completely missing how his example of a Word document that can only be opened by approved users on approved hardware within the corporation is supposed to be a bad thing. Honestly, that sounds pretty fantastic. I've been using 3rd party tools/extensions to do this sort of thing in corporate and government environments for years, but having the attestation go all the way down to the hardware level is a big value-a…

What you can install on YOUR pc will be at the sole mercy of microsoft/or maybe someone else.... That's the cusp of it. Not that it can be used for good, but that it sets the way for heavy misuse by large corporations.

Wait a few years. Smaller companies won't even be allowed to order high end cpu's. You'll be at 100% mercy of these corporations.

If after 2 years they decide to brick your pc, they'll just do it. You think government will help you out here? Lol...

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