I don't get this autopilot scam - if you don't enjoy driving, take the bus/train and do this planet a favor!
Obviously public transit is far less convenient, and not always an option depending on where you live.
Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider
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Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider
#42Oh dear. It's getting really hard for anyone to defend this contraption. Perhaps that explains the silence from the Tesla autopilot crowd shocked by the news of this yet another collision from an unsafe piece of 'safety critical' software. Both Autopilot and FSD (Fools Self Driving) needs to be investigated urgently.
Is there a study or article somewhere that shows that Teslas are statistically more unsafe than human drivers? I’ve heard plenty of anecdotes but I don’t recall any hard evidence.
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#43I just spent a few hours on my Honda riding back from LA. I made it to a mile away from my apartment without incident only to watch a Tesla turn the wrong way onto the one-way street I was on. The driver was either using malfunctioning FSD or made a mistake as they immediately pulled up to the passenger-side curb. I'll be steering well clear of these things in the future.
Have you never accidentally turned onto a one way street when driving somewhere unfamiliar? It has definitely happened to me a couple of times. Humans make mistakes.
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#44What matters is the ratio of autopilot vs human driver accidents. And in that area, the highly cherry-picked and curated test results from Tesla sound absolutely convincing! Actually, scratch that: what matter is that the autopilot sounds cool and high tech. Given that, who cares about the casualties?
Can you explain how Teslas data is cherry picked? Is it unfair to compare crash data for just one particular area? Wouldn’t it make a lot of sense that some roads are inherently more dangerous because of poor designs or conditions?
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Something that just flies an aircraft straight and level is still an autopilot, so I don't think it's a totally inaccurate metaphor. Ironically in these situations a more understated name would probably work better for PR. Headline of "Tesla on cruise control rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider" gives a much stronger impression of it being the driver's fault.
You bring up a valid argument but, unfortunately, it cuts both ways. Aircraft manufacturers are liable when their vehicles crash due to malfunction.
For convenience features advertised as requiring active driver supervision and not making the vehicle autonomous, I think it only really makes sense for the driver to be liable.
Similarly, if some airplane instrument is stated to require regular calibration to stay within acceptable error limits, I don't think the manufacturer would be liable if the instrument starts to drift when those calibrations are not carried out. Or if some crash-contributing decision is made based on assuming a higher accuracy than promised.
Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider
#46what makes it so hard for "self driving" cars to avoid frontal collusions?
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#47I always think it's weird how instead of just improving public transit, we've all become fixated on self driving vehicles. Good transit would mean most people don't need to operate a vehicle while having a plethora of other benefits like combating climate change and more efficient land use (if you live in a suburb, take note of the sheer amount land dedicated to parking; it's often more land than the store for retail…
I don’t think it’s weird and I unfortunately think public transit is in the beginning of a slow death spiral post-pandemic in the US. Reason 1: people in the US aren’t judging transit vs car ownership on the axes you mentioned. They largely don’t care about climate change and efficient land use (at least not enough to change their own habits.) They care about comfort, control over their own surroundings and mobility,…
By "efficient land use", do you mean that I shouldn't be allowed to have a yard of my own, and that I should have to share walls with my neighbors? If so, then "don’t care about" is an understatement; I'm actively against it.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I always think it's weird how instead of just improving public transit, we've all become fixated on self driving vehicles. To me self driving EV's appear a much more viable way to "solve" public transit everywhere beyond major metros. They'll drastically drop labor costs and are extremely flexible. No major infrastructure changes are needed compared to adding things like rail. No cities need to be redesigned in one…
No major infrastructure changes are needed for buses……
Right, it’s mostly the labor economics that make them poor choices outside of dense urban areas. Self driving EV buses could actually solve that suburban transit problem, with private on demand vehicles being a “premium” option.
Self driving buses or shuttles may actually come first around planned retirement communities. Simple routes, good weather, with flexible demand.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I always think it's weird how instead of just improving public transit, we've all become fixated on self driving vehicles. To me self driving EV's appear a much more viable way to "solve" public transit everywhere beyond major metros. They'll drastically drop labor costs and are extremely flexible. No major infrastructure changes are needed compared to adding things like rail. No cities need to be redesigned in one…
No major infrastructure changes are needed for buses……
The most expensive thing in transit service for a lot of smaller cities is paying for the drivers. If you want more shorter headways, longer service hours then you're paying a lot more for additional drivers.
Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider
#50"Full Self Crashing".
What will it take before we indict Musk for reckless endangerment, and for fraud? What will it take for the NTSB and FTC to issue a recall, and require Tesla to openly refund all the money collected for it?