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Re: Tom Lord has died

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Post by kevinburke »

colordrops wrote: post #39
kevinburke wrote: post #31

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

> Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels Coddling the egos of these "authorities" should be low priority considering the dire nature of the situation. If they drive us off a cliff because the constituents weren't "nice", it's still their fault.

He was rude to legislators on constituent calls in a way that made them not want to support the bills that he was supposed to be advocating for. Fortunately, since those bills would not have helped reduce climate change, this was probably a good thing on net.

He was also removed from occasionally appearing on Berkeley Zoning and Advisory Board because he couldn't get along with the elected official for his district.

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Post by kevinburke »

asah wrote: post #38
kevinburke wrote: post #31

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

To be fair, it's highly unclear if Berkeley would benefit from population growth, or lose its character as it tries to scale.

"Losing its character" is not a climate impact.

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Post by rib3ye »

asah wrote: post #38
kevinburke wrote: post #31

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

To be fair, it's highly unclear if Berkeley would benefit from population growth, or lose its character as it tries to scale.

And there’s the heart of NIMBYism. All projects must scale gracefully as they grow or face technical and political debt, and cities are no exception.

Re: Tom Lord has died

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Post by m0llusk »

worik wrote: post #35
kevinburke wrote: post #31

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

. [1] source - personal conversations with those officials and employees about Tom's behavior That is not a source. That is a personal opinion reported. Politics. Bullshit. Together forever

By law these meetings have minutes recorded and made available to the public. If you really want to confirm the situation for yourself the messy details are likely missing from this record while the situation in general is reasonably well presented.

Re: Tom Lord has died

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Post by mbrudd »

kevinburke wrote: post #31

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

I don't doubt or dispute any of your points, but it would have been far nicer to wait and air them at a different time and in a different venue -- step back for now and give people a chance to grieve and pay their respects to someone who just died unexpectedly.

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Post by ianai »

kevinburke wrote: post #42
asah wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's highly unclear if Berkeley would benefit from population growth, or lose its character as it tries to scale.

"Losing its character" is not a climate impact.

Lots of culture will be lost one way or the other due to climate change. Addressing climate change the soonest possible is how to keep as much of what we know as normalcy into the future.

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Post by shadowgovt »

colordrops wrote: post #39
kevinburke wrote: post #31

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

> Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels Coddling the egos of these "authorities" should be low priority considering the dire nature of the situation. If they drive us off a cliff because the constituents weren't "nice", it's still their fault.

It doesn't matter whose fault it is if we all go off the cliff. You can work better with coddled egos then with people in an antagonistic position.

Re: Tom Lord has died

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Post by ianai »

harry8 wrote: post #40
worik wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

. [1] source - personal conversations with those officials and employees about Tom's behavior That is not a source. That is a personal opinion reported. Politics. Bullshit. Together forever

That absolutely is a source from which you can form an opinion on the content which indeed you have. Leaving it unspecified so you can't reliably is the issue that does not exist here.

But is the point of death the right point to these grievances? Like wait a day or month even.

I get that some grievances don’t need to wait (Limbaugh) but it’s a high bar.

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Post by kevinburke »

rib3ye wrote: post #43
asah wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's highly unclear if Berkeley would benefit from population growth, or lose its character as it tries to scale.

And there’s the heart of NIMBYism. All projects must scale gracefully as they grow or face technical and political debt, and cities are no exception.

Berkeley has basically the same population as it did in 1950. It is home to the best public university in the state, which outdates any residents by a century. Students and low income workers sleep in cars, in tents near Highway 80 or commute from Antioch for lack of housing.

If there is any city that should be scaling aggressively instead of “gracefully” it’s Berkeley.

Re: Tom Lord has died

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Post by wbl »

asah wrote: post #38
kevinburke wrote: post #31

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

To be fair, it's highly unclear if Berkeley would benefit from population growth, or lose its character as it tries to scale.

It's already lost so many black families that defined its character up through the 1970's and 1980's.
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