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Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by thaumasiotes » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:51 PM UTC

CharlesW wrote: post #32

seltzered_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that's been corrosive to rss the past couple years have been podcast platforms. I find more podcasts (free ones) that can only be accessed through platforms like Google podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, or Anchor, with no rss feed link to use in a platform agnostic podcatcher app.

Unfortunately, to Spotify's great delight, the word "podcast" has been successfully embraced, extended, and extinguished. Us technical types have been complicit in it by allowing the word "podcast" to mean audio shows on proprietary platforms that require proprietary players.

The word never made much sense though. A "podcast" is a file that you download from the internet. What's the point of calling it a podcast?

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by babelfish » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:52 PM UTC

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #30

amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

I dropped Feedly because I found that 90%+ of my feeds would only put the article title and the first sentence into the feed, then require I click the URL to pull up the full article. It wasn't very fun constantly having to switch between my RSS app and my browser, so I just stopped using it.

This is an issue with the site's RSS feed, not Feedly. Feedly has an option to open any individual feeds posts in an in-app browser directly (and if you're on iOS, even enable Reader mode!) to combat this, so you don't need to switch apps!

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by pbardea » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:54 PM UTC

Funny seeing this pop-up on my #hacker-news slack channel that periodically polls for the top stories :)

I actually prefer the ability to push things like the top stories of the day to me through either Slack on email rather than having the temptation to constantly refresh an RSS feed app. An added bonus is that I frequently add some custom logic to curate the feed to my liking (based on the feed).

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by PatreonLover89 » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:55 PM UTC

seltzered_ wrote: post #12

amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

One thing that's been corrosive to rss the past couple years have been podcast platforms. I find more podcasts (free ones) that can only be accessed through platforms like Google podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, or Anchor, with no rss feed link to use in a platform agnostic podcatcher app.

Yea, but the flipside (patreon) is really, really, really nice and a huge step up from the ad-ridden public ones and work with whatever podcast player you like. Nearly all my favorite podcasts on the platform release half their content for free. I just wish they allowed mixed media in the feed.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by jethro_tell » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:58 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #41

CharlesW wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, to Spotify's great delight, the word "podcast" has been successfully embraced, extended, and extinguished. Us technical types have been complicit in it by allowing the word "podcast" to mean audio shows on proprietary platforms that require proprietary players.

The word never made much sense though. A "podcast" is a file that you download from the internet. What's the point of calling it a podcast?

And yet here we are clicking a floppy disk icon to save it. Language and meaning change over time. That's OK.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by jokabrink » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:59 PM UTC

Maybe of interest: Even Youtube has RSS for channels. If your RSS reader does not pick up the relevant tag, the URL is https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=$ID with $ID starting with `UC`, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UCVogAsA... for "ARTE.tv documentaries".

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by throw0101a » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:59 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #41

CharlesW wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, to Spotify's great delight, the word "podcast" has been successfully embraced, extended, and extinguished. Us technical types have been complicit in it by allowing the word "podcast" to mean audio shows on proprietary platforms that require proprietary players.

The word never made much sense though. A "podcast" is a file that you download from the internet. What's the point of calling it a podcast?

Etymology of the podcast was from iPod, which was (probably) the most popular audio/music device for a number of years in the 2000s:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast#Etymology

There was a minor movement to label them "netcasts", but it didn't really take.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by reaperducer » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:59 PM UTC

powersnail wrote: post #26

RSS has been alive this whole time. Blogs usually have it by default, the big news organizations have it. The only thing I'm not satisfied with reading news on RSS, is that news organizations push too many articles, to the point that reading the headlines alone takes quite some time. There's nearly 100 articles per day per source sometimes. Unlike a newspaper, which has a natural structure of priority and hierarchy,…

Not a complete solution to your problem, but the New York Times at least offers different RSS feeds for different sections.

So you can have a different feed for Science and Technology, and one for Australia, and one for New York. By not using the front page firehose, you can keep the number of inbound articles to a more manageable level.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by pentagrama » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 5:59 PM UTC

seltzered_ wrote: post #12

amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

One thing that's been corrosive to rss the past couple years have been podcast platforms. I find more podcasts (free ones) that can only be accessed through platforms like Google podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, or Anchor, with no rss feed link to use in a platform agnostic podcatcher app.

Google Podcasts give you the RSS link of every podcast https://imgur.com/a/bmgzCFb

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by timbit42 » Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 6:01 PM UTC

mbesto wrote: post #38

Is there any way outside of just polling every 1~5 minutes to get realtime updates to RSS? Curious what is standard here? If you do do polling, what interval?

I usually do 60 minutes. I'm not desperate enough to check every 5 or 10 minutes. I've come across a few websites that block you if you refresh too frequently. I'm not sure whether those ones still do that though.