how can you cheat on chess?
Using a chess engine to pick your moves.
Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous
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#42how can you cheat on chess?
Run a chess solver, feed it enemy moves, use it's moves to play.
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#43I don’t understand what someone gets out of winning chess games by cheating. It would actually make me feel worse about myself.
In a sibling comment there is already a very adequate answer.
To give the opposite answer, why you should not cheat. Chess is fun if you play against players of similar strengt. Mostly a score of around 50% will be what you get. If you have a 1400 rating, you can have fun games against 1400 players. If you cheat and go towards 2300 rating, you will still have a score of 50% against other 2300 players. But all the fun of the game won't be there, since it is just cheating. You will lose something (fun), but not really win anything within the game itself.
Or simpler said, in a long gone past I got bored with playing Doom. I hunted down cheat codes and got bored even faster.
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#44I don’t understand what someone gets out of winning chess games by cheating. It would actually make me feel worse about myself.
in competitive games it's all about the social credit
the game might a big part of their life, and being perceived as a good player puts you higher in the pecking order within your friend group
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#45This is really cool. Rampant cheating is the reason I completely abandoned playing chess, so nice to see something happening.
Where did you experience rampant cheating? I don't remember any particular problems back when I played on ICC in my middle/high school days, and modern equivalents like chess.com and lichess seem to do a relatively good job at catching cheaters. I might have just gotten lucky though.
I never notice cheaters too, but I only play around 1500 FIDE rating. The cheaters are around 2300 FIDE or even higher.
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#46I don’t understand what someone gets out of winning chess games by cheating. It would actually make me feel worse about myself.
in competitive games it's all about the social credit the game might a big part of their life, and being perceived as a good player puts you higher in the pecking order within your friend group
Having cheated at a few competitive multiplayer video games over the years, this is one of a few good answers, particularly when it comes to FPS. That, and many such video games induce boredom so quickly, and almost always the reward at the end is not worth the time spent getting there. Sometimes I'm glad I didn't waste my time getting to end-game content just to find out it was more of the same (or garbage) anyway. I don't play multiplayer games anymore, at all really, unless it's cooperative/integrated like Elden Ring.
I think something like chess is different; cheating in video games feels more similar to hacking around some software just because you can and it's interesting.
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#47I don’t understand what someone gets out of winning chess games by cheating. It would actually make me feel worse about myself.
I did maybe 10-15 years ago. There was a chess game on Xbox live and I found a chess program (I forget what it was now) and wanted to try it out. I think I played 2 or 3 games like that, got bored and never did it again. It was more of a "let's see if I can do it" sort of thing, sort of funny and probably more novel of an idea at the time.
I have no idea why you would do it on a ongoing basis. It would be so boring, all you do is transcribe moves back and forth.
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#48I love chess. At my absolute best, I had a over-the-board USCF rating of 2156. I never made it to master no matter how hard I tried. So, ticked off, I gave up serious play. Years go by and while I'm no where near as good these days, I started enjoying playing again. And, then I start running into people online who were clearly using engines instead of their own skills and wits. Now, I only pay with friends and over-t…
You should be happy with that! That's like candidate master level. Real impressive
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#49This is really cool. Rampant cheating is the reason I completely abandoned playing chess, so nice to see something happening.
> nice to see something happening
the latest ("real") commit is from 3 years ago
Re: Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous
#50I don’t understand what someone gets out of winning chess games by cheating. It would actually make me feel worse about myself.
Same, and I don't get why cheaters don't just play in a "cheating league" where there are no anti-cheating rules or anything.
What does winning do for someone when they didn't actually achieve mastery of the game?