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Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Looks like a tactical 'Embrace'. On top of that, surveillance capitalism is winning over the free software / open source developers as companies like Microsoft are buying out / hiring the majority of them. The free-software activists from the FSF and other free-software supporters have lost to the tech bros at these big tech companies that have hijacked 'open-source' and ran with it. They have failed in their mission…

It is like the Wall Street getting ex-hippies during the early 80's. Eventually food on the table is needed and there is a family to feed and mortgage to pay, and working for the man isn't that bad as one once thought.

Or the ex-hippies knew very well that Woodstock is just a stage (pun intended) and didn't take it that seriously.

I mean, almost all prominent tech companies had those people at one stage or another. Nothing forbade them from listening to the Beatles in their Buicks or counting fat stacks to the sounds of Yellow Submarine.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably Red Hat, where he spent 15 years writing shit millions of people use for free. Christ almighty.

Politicians also ruin countries for a lot of time before returning to mothership (lobby companies).

So you think he ruined Linux? What does that imply about all the distro devs that chose to incorporate things he worked on?

It must be a heavy burden to be so much smarter than all of them.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the article does state: >At first I thought they were jokes or just snarky remarks, but after a day of following up with folks, it actually turns out not to be a joke. So who's to say he didn't? Twitter seems just to be where he first heard it

I mean why is he following up with folks? It’s not like it’s extremely hard to get in touch with Poettering.

His redhat email returns out of office err OOF

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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i am not surprised that he made this move quietly. poettering's work attracted a disproportionate share of criticism, and moving to microsoft is not exactly a helpful move to quell that criticism. on the contrary, it will only get worse. since he continues to work on systemd, critics will now start to decry systemd as being a microsoft product, or at least strongly influenced by microsoft. so this move is likely to s…

As a person who doesn't like systemd a lot (yet doesn't hate it either), I find some of the criticisms well founded.

I've written them in the past, so I'll not re-iterate these walls of text, but all in all, systemd had to learn some things over and over just because it disregarded people's warnings about the problems some of these design patterns create.

Being a little agreeable and open to discourse is not a bad thing.

All in all, systemd makes different trade-offs w.r.t. design, and is not radically fast when compared to what's coming before that. Capability wise it made some things easier (not possible), and some things way more harder.

It's just another iteration. Hope he doesn't pulls another "De Icaza", and all goes well for him.

OTOH, I can't trust neither him, nor Microsoft, because I look actions rather than words.

Let's see.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the article does state: >At first I thought they were jokes or just snarky remarks, but after a day of following up with folks, it actually turns out not to be a joke. So who's to say he didn't? Twitter seems just to be where he first heard it

I mean why is he following up with folks? It’s not like it’s extremely hard to get in touch with Poettering.

From my observations, Poettering is not a person who kindly answers his e-mails.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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The snobby attitude about Microsoft on HN makes no sense to me

Some people here are a bit older than a typical %MODERN_FRONTEND_TECHNOLOGY% developer and thus they remember very well what Microsoft did to Linux and open source community a decade ago and back.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Hey, he'll feel right at home with Powershell and the absurdly long verbs it uses.

You know that they can be shortened right? Get-ChildItem = gci

I for one really like PowerShell, if it could consume bash completions I would switch to using it as my $SHELL. Right now I'm leaning to switch from ZSH to Xonsh (Python).

Reason for liking PowerShell: C# compability, OOP, semi-sane syntax.

You can do type definitions, serde multiple formats into native structures.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is like the Wall Street getting ex-hippies during the early 80's. Eventually food on the table is needed and there is a family to feed and mortgage to pay, and working for the man isn't that bad as one once thought.

Or the ex-hippies knew very well that Woodstock is just a stage (pun intended) and didn't take it that seriously. I mean, almost all prominent tech companies had those people at one stage or another. Nothing forbade them from listening to the Beatles in their Buicks or counting fat stacks to the sounds of Yellow Submarine.

I think Stallman, and having been at his session done at CERN during 2003, I did actually got to talk with him, doesn't agree with the stage thing.
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