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Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

gsnedders wrote: post #35
Vespasian wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stellantis and VW were pretty much tied in 2021.

https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture... places Stellantis with 30% lower production than VW in 2021. But the thing that's super stark is how many marquees Stellantis have; I can't help but think that some consolidation and focusing of resources would be beneficial (and I'm well aware that plenty is shared already).

Stellantis is where all the brands with slipping or already low quality go, so having a lot of different brands at various price points is their thing.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by whalesalad »

gsnedders wrote: post #35
Vespasian wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stellantis and VW were pretty much tied in 2021.

https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture... places Stellantis with 30% lower production than VW in 2021. But the thing that's super stark is how many marquees Stellantis have; I can't help but think that some consolidation and focusing of resources would be beneficial (and I'm well aware that plenty is shared already).

They’ve given all the brands a budget and a time box to turn things around. Those that do will be retained, the others will go. My wife was a chemist there for a few years, since before it became Stellantis.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by sokoloff »

gsnedders wrote: post #35
Vespasian wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stellantis and VW were pretty much tied in 2021.

https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture... places Stellantis with 30% lower production than VW in 2021. But the thing that's super stark is how many marquees Stellantis have; I can't help but think that some consolidation and focusing of resources would be beneficial (and I'm well aware that plenty is shared already).

Nit: it's marques (brand of car), not marquees (cinema entrance).

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

belval wrote: post #16

I always wanted something like this but for all companies. I feel like it would be a great tool to help people understand how giant conglomerates are actually a big part of what we consume. My favorite are outdoor clothing companies which almost all tie-in to the same Chinese investment fund. Or how glasses companies all belong to that one French conglomerate.

And same for semiconductors. Everything seems to have been consolidating like mad.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by sokoloff »

gpderetta wrote: post #33
consp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While being not even the biggest in total number of sales (wikipedia says fifth). I still find it strange that it's a Dutch company (and Fiat Chrystler before it), since the Netherlands has no local-origin car manufacturer since DAF-Cars was sold to Volvo in the '70.

I think Netherlands is just a convenient place for European multinationals to incorporate. ST Micro, another Italo-French company is incorporated there for example.

I always thought ST Micro was based in Geneva.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by franch »

gsnedders wrote: post #35
Vespasian wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stellantis and VW were pretty much tied in 2021.

https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture... places Stellantis with 30% lower production than VW in 2021. But the thing that's super stark is how many marquees Stellantis have; I can't help but think that some consolidation and focusing of resources would be beneficial (and I'm well aware that plenty is shared already).

They keep all the marquees because they sell better in the various European national markets, but many models are now the same platform with some small aesthetic changes. For example the new electric citroen berlingo / fiat doblo / opel combo are the same car:

https://www.citroen.it/modelli/berlingo/elettrico.html

https://www.fiat.it/e-doblo/e-doblo

https://www.opel.it/veicoli/gamma-combo/combo-e-life/panoram...

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by keiferski »

sokoloff wrote: post #40
belval wrote: post #16

I always wanted something like this but for all companies. I feel like it would be a great tool to help people understand how giant conglomerates are actually a big part of what we consume. My favorite are outdoor clothing companies which almost all tie-in to the same Chinese investment fund. Or how glasses companies all belong to that one French conglomerate.

The eyewear conglomerate is Luxottica (Italian, not French).

They merged with Essilor, a French company, in 2018. Technically they are a Franco-Italian company.

Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by cju »

sokoloff wrote: post #40
belval wrote: post #16

I always wanted something like this but for all companies. I feel like it would be a great tool to help people understand how giant conglomerates are actually a big part of what we consume. My favorite are outdoor clothing companies which almost all tie-in to the same Chinese investment fund. Or how glasses companies all belong to that one French conglomerate.

The eyewear conglomerate is Luxottica (Italian, not French).

EssilorLuxottica (merger in 2018) is a French company with an headquarter in Paris and the stock part of the French index CAC40.
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