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EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Edit: It is clear that I was an idiot with this comment and my facts are quite wrong. Removed.

> They might choose to do so with a special version of iPhone that only works in the EU with EU languages and EU carrier bands (no English language strictly necessary because the UK left, remember?)...

I think Ireland (and Malta) would like a word:

"English remains an official EU language, despite the United Kingdom having left the EU. It remains an official and working language of the EU institutions as long as it is listed as such in Regulation No 1. English is also one of Ireland’s and Malta’s official languages."

- quoting https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Music to my ears. Apple is a junkie that's addicted to the App Store & services revenue. By opening up their walled garden, it forces them to be more proactive to regain some of that lost revenue. I guarantee the car, the AR/VR and their other underdeveloped products would've progressed so much faster if Apple depended on new product categories to grow their revenue. Right now, they're feeling too cozy.

Imagine thinking that punishing success is the way to go. Europe loves propping up failing companies and industries. Not very surprising that they would go after a company with barely a 30% share of the market.

Considering corporate « success » in a capitalist environment amounts to the accumulation of wealth and power outside of the commons, yes, it's absolutely the way to go.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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post #42

Edit: It is clear that I was an idiot with this comment and my facts are quite wrong. Removed.

> They might choose to do so with a special version of iPhone that only works in the EU with EU languages and EU carrier bands (no English language strictly necessary because the UK left, remember?)... I think Ireland (and Malta) would like a word: " English remains an official EU language, despite the United Kingdom having left the EU. It remains an official and working language of the EU institutions as long as it…

True... forgot them, my apologies to both nations.

Though... Apple could just pull out of those nations...

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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I think there are good intentions behind it, but it also misses the mark by targeting big tech specifically.

The good that could have come of it, is a sort of open sourcing of tech companies... but of course none of that is going to happen.

Yet we have standards; like USB-C which are a good thing. Question is who should enforce creating more standards (to address eg the interoperability of the messaging apps cited in the article).

The big issue I see here is it is completely unfair to Apple because Apple is really in a league of its own. It's very essence, what makes Apple.. Apple.. is that they create BOTH the hardware and software. When I buy a Mac Mini, or an iPad I buy the whole package, that is the value of it...

It's like the EU telling Apple they know better how to design products and that Apple should redefine themselves as a company.. yet.. by finetuning and crafting software for their platforms Apple offers a user experience that is simply the best.

What the EU should have done instead is try to force big tech to work together?

I don't know how to feel about this but as a European I'm tired of being a peasant... and this is going to set us back even more. :/

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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It will be interesting to see what dark patterns Apple will come up with to resist this. I imagine every time you open Firefox you will get a popup window saying "Do you want to use Safari instead?"

Using different browsers and setting them as default is already possible in iOS. They are just forced to use WebKit as the rendering engine instead of Blink or Gecko.

True. But this "friendly stance" might change if browsers choose to use their own rendering engine now that the EU allows them to.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Edit: It is clear that I was an idiot with this comment and my facts are quite wrong. Removed.

EU senate? What senate?

For a law to pass, you need the European parliament, the EU commission and the council, no such thing as a EU senate.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Music to my ears. Apple is a junkie that's addicted to the App Store & services revenue. By opening up their walled garden, it forces them to be more proactive to regain some of that lost revenue. I guarantee the car, the AR/VR and their other underdeveloped products would've progressed so much faster if Apple depended on new product categories to grow their revenue. Right now, they're feeling too cozy.

Imagine thinking that punishing success is the way to go. Europe loves propping up failing companies and industries. Not very surprising that they would go after a company with barely a 30% share of the market.

I think a trillion dollar company can afford to loose some percentage of its income.

Particularly if it opens the door for new innovation. Things like subscription services to alternative Siri/Alexa/Google. Instead of the current Alexa foisting more advertisements and things you don't want onto you, Google's complete invasion of privacy/data, and Apple's complete ineptitude. This is something that can't happen right now because the hooks aren't well designed in iOS or Android. Making it so that you don't have the concept of "private APIs" for such things levels the playing field.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Edit: It is clear that I was an idiot with this comment and my facts are quite wrong. Removed.

EU senate? What senate? For a law to pass, you need the European parliament, the EU commission and the council, no such thing as a EU senate.

I edited my comment. I apologize - I was way off on both points.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU senate? What senate? For a law to pass, you need the European parliament, the EU commission and the council, no such thing as a EU senate.

I edited my comment. I apologize - I was way off on both points.

Well not completely off, it is true that if the commission and council aren’t on board this bill will be stillborn.
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