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Meta bans staff from open discussion of Roe vs. Wade

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Re: Meta bans staff from open discussion of Roe vs. Wade

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Does anybody really believe that workplace debates will sway the votes of senators?

I have emailed and written more than one (state) senator because of workplace debates and discussions. My coworker made excellent points, and I felt compelled to extend them to my representative.

Re: Meta bans staff from open discussion of Roe vs. Wade

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Got to love the tacit admission that discussions on the platform inevitably turn into flamewars.

It would be a flame war where people would sabotage each other's career.

The topic has all the right factors:

- Nobody actually wants to change their minds.

- Each side thinks the other side is worse than a serial killer.

- No feasible way to make a judgement who is right or wrong.

- No way to get people to accept that judgement.

Re: Meta bans staff from open discussion of Roe vs. Wade

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The learned oblivion in this discussion is very disheartening: every person saying to “leave politics at home” should understand that our basic boundaries around personal and working time came from long and protracted political battles over the powers of our employers. Those battles were fought because people complained, loudly at their workplaces, and won their colleagues over.

Abortion is not the labor movement, but the principle holds.

Re: Meta bans staff from open discussion of Roe vs. Wade

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https://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-joel-kaplan-rallie... Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg and the Facebook/Meta executive team are partly responsible for the reversal. No surprise that they don’t want their staff thinking a bit too much about this.

I'm as militantly "Fuck Facebook" as the next guy, but neither Zuckerberg nor Sandberg are named in that article at all.

Do you have any actually citable evidence that shows that either of them were involved in the push for Kavanaugh's nomination and/or confirmation?

Re: Meta bans staff from open discussion of Roe vs. Wade

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post #23

Probably a wise decision, and not just because of conflicts between the different sides (I can't imagine there's a large pro-life contingent at Meta), but because of the dumpster fire that intra-political discussions have turned into. Some people feel like discussing this in anything other than emotional terms is inappropriate, some people feel like we need to discuss the legal theory and history behind what happened…

There's way too much emotion in politics these days. I would like to see a return of rational discourse. I've had my fill of both the screaming liberals and the dusty conservatives. Most of the complex issues deal with morality so it's probably all for naught. The tip of the morality pyramid is God for most people. No point using empirical evidence when you don't believe in it to begin with.

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Re: Meta bans staff from open discussion of Roe vs. Wade

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post #24

Tricky. Politics/societal/economic/etc issues such as this one are very important to be discussed. However, companies are a place for work. Talking to co-workers can be quite fulfilling and exciting when conversing about engineering, marketing, or other work related subjects you are passionate about. However, anytime politics, etc are brought up I (for one) leave the conversation feeling in a worse state of mind than…

I'm not sorry for taking the opposite opinion, and its strictly for the reason that: these megacorps will, at the drop of a hat, spend millions in donations and lobbying for whatever causes their executives believe furthers the goals of the business [1]. "We the executives" are allowed to talk about it, and pay for what we believe is right, but "you the line workers", shut up, if you don't like it go work somewhere e…

> "We the executives" are allowed to talk about it, and pay for what we believe is right, but "you the line workers", shut up, if you don't like it go work somewhere else.

Yes because the line workers don't just discuss it they fight over it and make everyone angry / depressed and destroy productivity

Re: Meta bans staff from open discussion of Roe vs. Wade

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguing about it on Slack isn't going to fix any of it though

It's venting. It's bonding with coworkers who also feel their world is collapsing. Hard to focus on work, talk about the preso when, for example, people are storming our Capitol.

Venting doesn't work: https://slate.com/technology/2022/03/venting-makes-you-feel-... .

HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30601594 .

Re: Meta bans staff from open discussion of Roe vs. Wade

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sorry for taking the opposite opinion, and its strictly for the reason that: these megacorps will, at the drop of a hat, spend millions in donations and lobbying for whatever causes their executives believe furthers the goals of the business [1]. "We the executives" are allowed to talk about it, and pay for what we believe is right, but "you the line workers", shut up, if you don't like it go work somewhere e…

> "We the executives" are allowed to talk about it, and pay for what we believe is right, but "you the line workers", shut up, if you don't like it go work somewhere else. Yes because the line workers don't just discuss it they fight over it and make everyone angry / depressed and destroy productivity

And the executives don't make people depressed and angry and destroy productivity?
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