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Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#41

While very cool and seemingly well-designed, this seems like a derivative of the lock developed by the YouTuber StuffMadeHere. A little strange to see someone applying for a patent for a version of someone else's design.

Need to see the patent or published application, and in particular the claims. I've got a few patents under my belt, but I'm not a patent lawyer. Typically when prior art is found during the preparation or processing of a patent application, the inventor can either argue for why their thing is new and different, or narrow their claims to the point where what's left satisfies novelty. Now at that point, one is left wondering if their idea is still worth patenting. But that's another matter.

Even as an inventor with some experience in the patent process, I still find it hard to second guess the patent office on what they will accept or reject as prior art. The lawyers are better at it than I am.

More than once I've rushed breathlessly to the lawyers with screaming hot obvious prior art, and they say: "Meh, it's not prior art because of X, Y, and Z, nice try."

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#43
I don't know if this is too slow of an attack to count, but you could build an automated lockpicking machine that would iterate over the possible pin height combinations. If a fast robotic machine could input & test one key pattern per second, it would find the correct pattern in 12.96 hours or less. One pattern per second should be quite feasible. Here's an example video that shows how robots can move very quickly while maintaining submillimeter precision: https://youtu.be/SVuOWwL410U?t=7

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#44
Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements).

https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4

One of my main goals is to be an inspiration, though if it was based by my design I wish they’d credit it. Especially since they’re patenting it.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol then it would be sold through his web store covertinstruments.com

along with the pick that bosnian bill and i made

Ironically, that disc-detainer pick is the one thing that is not available for sale on covertinstruments. I went looking for it the other day and it's not listed at all, not even as "out of stock".

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#47
What's the threat model? Does this lock secure a location that has no windows? Can a sledgehammer be used to open the door?

Ok, so maybe covert entry is harder. Do you care THAT much about covert entry? If you care that much about covert entry, do you also have video monitoring?

Security solutions need to be used in context.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#48

This looks very similar to the design[0] by Stuff Made Here (and collaborative hardening [1] suggestions by Lock Picking Lawyer)…an excellent set of videos. https://youtu.be/2A2NY29iQdI https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ

There’s also a lock on that channel he can’t pick - the bowley I think? It has a wild key design.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#49
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

along with the pick that bosnian bill and i made

Ironically, that disc-detainer pick is the one thing that is not available for sale on covertinstruments. I went looking for it the other day and it's not listed at all, not even as "out of stock".

It's actually sold by Sparrows

https://www.sparrowslockpicks.com/product_p/DISCT.htm

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#50

While very cool and seemingly well-designed, this seems like a derivative of the lock developed by the YouTuber StuffMadeHere. A little strange to see someone applying for a patent for a version of someone else's design.

The concepts employed in the StuffMadeHere video were derived from techniques used in other pick-resistant locks. His implementation is unique, of course, but he also derived his lock from other existing techniques.

There’s a big world of lock design and research out there, and I doubt this company simply decided to rip off a YouTuber.

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