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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by fumar »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #12
galangalalgol wrote: post #2

When TX first passed its law that allowed anyone to sue individuals that had or aided an abortion, Apple offered to pay for transport and the procedure for anyone at its new Austin campus. https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/09/17/apple-is-monitori...

Honestly, Apple should be dialing down investment in Texas.

I recently declined an Apple role that required Austin relocation. I like Austin and considered the move, but ultimately my family is my priority. We can't risk moving to a tech hub in a blistering red state with growing regulation on personhood. I told the recruiter Apple needs to reconsider where it plans to do long-term business.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by jleyank »

abernard1 wrote: post #37
jleyank wrote: post #25

Ignoring abortion, I suspect that states without contraception, IVF or gay rights will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. Companies would have to provide alternatives unless they want to limit their hiring to red state natives. Good argument for wfh to get talent that just won’t go there. Note that most contraceptives prevent implantation and IVF creates more embryos than needed. Both…

I suspect, having had a long career in tech, no one of import will care. "The Industry" is an embarrassment. It is lazy, incompetent, and would be drowning if not for its oligopoly status. Companies who produce useful software will win out over the lackadaisical tech culture that exists today. What the people bemoaning this decision should worry about is the regulatory backlash against technology--coming from the rig…

Err, having had a long career in tech, I’ve found that companies like to hire younger people. Those who might be sexually active, considering starting families and trying to balance career requirement vs pregnancies. Such as young professors, rising developers, pretty much every aspect of stem. While the regulatory backlash is a concern, I would think that attracting or keeping staff is a larger concern.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by koolba »

thebradbain wrote: post #21
koolba wrote: post #3

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> 24 weeks of maternity leave from Google You know these 24 weeks aren't a vacation, right? They're about 100x more demanding then the average tech job, and on-call 24/7. Not to mention that after the 24 weeks are up, you still have another unpaid (in fact, you are paying!) full time job of raising a child for at least another 17.5 years. That is a tall task for someone hoping to climb in their career, even if they w…

> You know these 24 weeks aren't a vacation, right?

I never claimed it was. It’s a time to bond with your child and get acclimated to new responsibilities. That Google offers 24 weeks of maternity leave is something should be lauded, not vilified.

> They're about 100x more demanding then the average tech job, and on-call 24/7. Not to mention that after the 24 weeks are up, you still have another unpaid (in fact, you are paying!) full time job of raising a child for at least another 17.5 years. That is a tall task for someone hoping to climb in their career, even if they want a child, and it's just not the right time right now.

So? That’s what life is. Just because it might be difficult at times doesn’t mean it’s not the right decision. Claiming that it will impair your career or you’ll be tired taking care of the ones you literally love more than anything in existence is a cop out.

> The great and wonderful thing about abortion is that, even when it's legalized, someone who wants to have their baby can still choose to, if they wish. Just as they can choose not to.

There is nothing great about abortion. And ease and normalization of abortion for convenience has contributed to way too many over the past fifty years.

>> And all of this is from the relatively cushy and overcompensated perspective of a tech career! Now imagine someone between minimum-wage jobs struggling to make rent every month.

People grossly overestimate the cost of raising children, both in time and actual dollars. Yes, there are things that scale directly like plane tickets and private tuition, but there are economies of scale for everything from food to housing.

Forgoing some travel and changing your leisure habits is small price to pay for a lifetime of joy.

> Do you know how many kids today were born and not given the time or resources from their parents to succeed?

Life can be tough and it’s not a fair shake for all, but given the choice I’m sure they’d prefer it over the alternative.

> Did you know the fact that – today – 1 in 2 people nationwide who are homeless were products of the foster care system [1] ?

I fail to see how that’s relevant to a tech salary worker choosing to keep her baby. The child would not be in a foster home.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by tomjakubowski »

thebradbain wrote: post #21
koolba wrote: post #3

Quoted post unavailable.

> 24 weeks of maternity leave from Google You know these 24 weeks aren't a vacation, right? They're about 100x more demanding then the average tech job, and on-call 24/7. Not to mention that after the 24 weeks are up, you still have another unpaid (in fact, you are paying!) full time job of raising a child for at least another 17.5 years. That is a tall task for someone hoping to climb in their career, even if they w…

> 1 in 2 people nationwide who are homeless were products of the foster care system

Holy cow. That is absolutely incredible statistic. And it seems 25% (at least) of Americans who entered foster care experience homelessness as adults.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by sterlind »

jmgao wrote: post #32
gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly. Now the fun will begin if when the Feds stake a claim via the Commerce Clause to make inter-state abortion travel a right. This could end run Roe's overturn because the Feds could say that a State not allowing abortions will affect the price of abortions much like the Feds said you can't hold back corn grown on your farm to feed your livestock because that would prevent the corn from going to market at a ma…

Kavanaugh's concurring opinion said this: > Second, as I see it, some of the other abortion-related legal questions raised by today’s decision are not especially difficult as a constitutional matter. For example, may a State bar a resident of that State from traveling to another State to obtain an abortion? In my view, the answer is no based on the constitutional right to interstate travel. May a State retroactively…

I'm not so sure. say that Planned Parenthood operates shuttles to abortion clinics out of state. then Mississippi makes it a crime to operate any business within the state that facilitates abortion.

that would have an indirect effect on interstate commerce, but I could imagine the Court upholding Mississippi's ban, since it only concerns businesses that operate there.

of course, this would run straight into the Heart of Atlanta Motel decision that ended racial discrimination in hotels.

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Post by jhawk28 »

tjr225 wrote: post #14
sJ646U9k6c6gME9 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For-profit companies don’t care about anyone’s rights. To believe otherwise is naive.

Google cares about attracting and retaining smart people. Smart people generally respect reproductive rights. So I guess in some ways you are correct, but not in the way your response to the person you are responding to would imply. What is interesting is that I guess the average google employee is in a good enough position in life to either afford birth control, get an abortion if they need one, or simply figure out…

The split of pro/against is really close to 50/50. If you think that the smart people are only on one side or that only one side has "good" arguments, then you are living in a bubble. The argument over abortion was going on before Roe v Wade. Roe v Wade only prevented legislation from finding a solution.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by abernard1 »

jleyank wrote: post #42
abernard1 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect, having had a long career in tech, no one of import will care. "The Industry" is an embarrassment. It is lazy, incompetent, and would be drowning if not for its oligopoly status. Companies who produce useful software will win out over the lackadaisical tech culture that exists today. What the people bemoaning this decision should worry about is the regulatory backlash against technology--coming from the rig…

Err, having had a long career in tech, I’ve found that companies like to hire younger people. Those who might be sexually active, considering starting families and trying to balance career requirement vs pregnancies. Such as young professors, rising developers, pretty much every aspect of stem. While the regulatory backlash is a concern, I would think that attracting or keeping staff is a larger concern.

And I, having seen Austin, TX grow from a laughingstock to an industry powerhouse, find your points humorous.

There is a very big elephant in the room for where people are moving. And those people are young. And those people do not have the belief monoculture that has existed prior.

Smaller elephant in the room #2 is that cost pressures and globalism don't care about the opinions of the traditional PMC that has reigned supreme when tech was on the upswing.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by kjfdpoisfjkds »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #12
galangalalgol wrote: post #2

When TX first passed its law that allowed anyone to sue individuals that had or aided an abortion, Apple offered to pay for transport and the procedure for anyone at its new Austin campus. https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/09/17/apple-is-monitori...

Honestly, Apple should be dialing down investment in Texas.

Will they dial down investment in nations with far worse human rights or is this just virtue signaling?
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