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Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

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I think if employees feel slighted by being fired, they're fooling themselves. The best mindset is that you could be gone tomorrow. It gives you clarity and purpose. It also happens to be the truth. Coinbase was also extremely generous with severance. 12 weeks plus two for every one year at the company, I think. I've had the experience of being let go without notice and without severance. Devs seem a little more griz…

In the end I care about the stock going up, and now it finally seems to be doing that. The point of a company is to generate wealth for the owners and nothing else. Employees need to negotiate with the contracts according to that.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

#43

Being an employee in a high risk field like crypto is a tough business. You are everyday one day away from a massive market crash or crypto heist to be let go. (Yes, conventional companies too, but not to this extent)

On the other hand they could've been growing much more modestly, and then there wouldn't be any layoffs. Not much different to other IPOing companies, many are doing layoffs now. Crypto has little to do with it.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

#45

I think if employees feel slighted by being fired, they're fooling themselves. The best mindset is that you could be gone tomorrow. It gives you clarity and purpose. It also happens to be the truth. Coinbase was also extremely generous with severance. 12 weeks plus two for every one year at the company, I think. I've had the experience of being let go without notice and without severance. Devs seem a little more griz…

People keep pointing to Armstrong's $110M house like it's some sort of injustice. If you think billionaires should exist at all, then that's one of the least-bad injustices imaginable

Ok, I'll admit it, billionaires should not exist at all, there should be a heavy wealth tax that makes it hard to become a billionaire. Will a CEO work less hard if he (and his peers) can only ever gain $100M in net worth before a wealth tax on assets kicks in?

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

#46

I think if employees feel slighted by being fired, they're fooling themselves. The best mindset is that you could be gone tomorrow. It gives you clarity and purpose. It also happens to be the truth. Coinbase was also extremely generous with severance. 12 weeks plus two for every one year at the company, I think. I've had the experience of being let go without notice and without severance. Devs seem a little more griz…

Wow that severance is incredible! They reached out to me awhile ago but thought their whole platform being tied to crypto was extremely risky. Engineers need to save for bad times and have months and months of cash for downtimes as in 3-4 months there will be alot of people looking for jobs.

Fun fact in 2009 I interviewed at google and the HM said that 500 people applied to the job I was interviewed at(onsite) and there were 3 others that were also brought onto the onsite, so 4 out of 500 getting a chance to interview, with only one making it. Lets hope it doesn't get that bad again.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

#47

Genuine question: At what point do we actually declare that we are in recession. Do we wait for GDP figures out these signs are enough to assume we are in bear markets now.

Recession is a loosely defined economic term where the exact definition depends on who's reporting it, traditionally, it's meant 2 quarters of decline in GDP growth. But now: The NBER defines a recession as a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales https:…

Yeah, recession start and ends can only really be determined accurately in retrospect. And like you said it's marked by the decline meaning it starts when growth hits its high point and ends when it hits a low point. In terms "feeling" like a recession, it'll be more like midway through the descent until midway into a recovery. A stock market crash is frequently a leading indicator of a GDP recession though not always. We could be seeing the early signs of recession for the past six months, but we won't really know for a while.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

#48

Genuine question: At what point do we actually declare that we are in recession. Do we wait for GDP figures out these signs are enough to assume we are in bear markets now.

Crypto was always a plaything for people that had extra money and no idea what to do with it. That extra money dries up, guess what happens to crypto.

Re: Coinbase lays off around 1,100 employees

#49
I honestly thought the pandemic would be the trigger for a recession. Clearly that wasn't the case (or at least it was a delayed effect). This doesn't seem to be a case where a single event triggered a recession (eg subprime in 2008). It seems to be a combination of events.

Inflation is a big one. This one is interesting because the two biggest factors (housing and gas) are completely artificial price hikes. Housing is a double whammy because we had artificially cheaper housing in the last 2 years because of the pandemic. That makes price hikes seem worse than they are (note: there still are significant price hieks in rents). There's pent up demand from the pandemic. There's some institutional buying of homes (which honestly should be outlawed). But really it's just price hikes "because we can".

Gas was triggered by Ukraine but that's just another "because we can" situation. The Biden administration could ban exports of refined petroleum products if they really wanted to apply downward pressure to gas prices. It's not that Biden has a bad energy policy. He seems to have no energy policy.

And then there's crypto. What a lot of people are learning is that the only thing holding up the crypto bubble was the collective belief in continued speculative gains. That's literally it, even for the (supposed) stablecoins.

I personally see crypto as a massive waste of energy (eg Bitcoin energy usage is about the same as Sweden's) for very little utility so I personally hoped the bubble would burst because crypto is such a massive example of a solution desperately searching for a problem. I can't say this was or is inevitable. Collective delusion can last a really long time. But I hope the bubble does burst.

Obviously this sucks if you work (or, rather, worked) for Coinbase. At least they're getting some severance. It may be a rough time for finding a new job, even for software engineers, for a couple of years, something that hasn't really been true for >12 years.

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