What a stupid article - Written by an idiot - Wired has really gone downhill lately, this is rock bottom.
The ‘Form’ Element Created the Modern Web. Was It a Big Mistake?
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Re: The ‘Form’ Element Created the Modern Web. Was It a Big Mistake?
#42Paul Ford must spend a non-negligible amount of time sitting around thinking: “What’s the dumbest thing I could get Wired or Bloomberg to publish?” And to be absolutely pedantic: He shouldn’t be mad about forms and inputs, they can be used with the read-only web (GET params) and have client-side only uses (calculations.) Given what he’s trying to say, the headline should be: “The ‘HTTP POST’ Method Created the Modern…
Unfortunately, that's the state of much of digital journalism. The incentives (clicks) are simply not aligned with journalistic quality.
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#43"HTML has almost never thrown things away," Really? MDN web docs indicate a lot of deprecated/obsolate codes.
I don't know what you could be referring to.
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#44The entire web is just an inner platform attempting to recapitulate the general purpose computing available to desktop computers for decades, without much supporting the justifcation for replacement.
Re: The ‘Form’ Element Created the Modern Web. Was It a Big Mistake?
#45Paul Ford must spend a non-negligible amount of time sitting around thinking: “What’s the dumbest thing I could get Wired or Bloomberg to publish?” And to be absolutely pedantic: He shouldn’t be mad about forms and inputs, they can be used with the read-only web (GET params) and have client-side only uses (calculations.) Given what he’s trying to say, the headline should be: “The ‘HTTP POST’ Method Created the Modern…
You don't need a `HTTP POST` to update server state this can be done with cookies/headers or the uri (granted doing so in the URI is a CSRF risk). Point being, client originated updates are an inevitability as long as we allow variable data to be passed from the client to the server.
Re: The ‘Form’ Element Created the Modern Web. Was It a Big Mistake?
#46This is one of the most vacuous articles I have come across in quite some time, all wrapped up in rhetoric and presented as if it were some profound insight. It's not. Not only does it get the tech details wrong (POST allowed read/write capability pretty much from the beginning, wasn't the start of it) but it would be equally accurate-- and useless-- to point to the keyboard as the culprit. Or taking a step outside o…
>This is one of the most vacuous articles I have come across in quite some time, all wrapped up in rhetoric and presented as if it were some profound insight.
Thank you - my thoughts exactly. Sadly, Wired hasn't changed much in the last decade :(
Re: The ‘Form’ Element Created the Modern Web. Was It a Big Mistake?
#47You know what, was a mistake. Let's replace it with something like Username instead. Much better.
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#49> Could we have created a element that made it easier for small local manufacturers to sell online instead of Amazon rolling everyone up? How would that have worked? A text box that had some kind of privacy control built in, so that all our passwords wouldn’t leak?
What a bunch of BS.
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#50If HTML didn't have a tag, then HTML and the web would still be a fairly marginal technology, and something else most likely would have existed where all these problems occurred. Maybe we'd all be complaining about how IRC is radicalizing people or something. A repository full of static documents isn't really all that interesting. That's basically a library on a computer. Even in the very earliest days of the web, pe…
Right, this is exactly what happened to Gopher and FTP. They were good at their one job. They were replaced by HTTP.
Originally HTML just had the element, which was very similar to Gopher's primitive "search" functionality. Adding the element with named input fields was a pretty obvious next step, and the fact that HTTP/HTML evolved to support it while Gopher did not says quite a bit about the culture behind these two protocols.