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The risk of heart failure is much higher with the actual disease. 8X higher for some population segments. This is correlated from data from 40 independent health care systems.
Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows
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Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows
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I would love to compare these rates against other common respiratory viruses. Long term effects from viral infections is not unique to covid. The only thing unique about covid is we are watching it 1000x more than anything previous to it. ... if you look for something, you'll find it. Test everybody with a pulse for the flu and then track the long term effects the same way we are with covid and I'm sure you'll see a…
COVID virus spike protein attaches directly to ACE2 receptors which are found all over the blood vessels in the body. It is uniquely evolved to target and damage the vascular system in the body. edit: And people ARE tracking things like flu vs. COVID statistics. So far COVID-19 is roughly 10x as deadly as a bad flu year. Ten times...
Tissue fibrosis has been a leading factor and cause in mortality in developed nations far longer than covid has existed. Neither what you said or your parent said is false, but there does seem to be an awful lot of exaggerating the effects of covid.
Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows
#43There are no conclusions to draw here. The study doesn't "show" anything -- it indicates a need for further research. I'm disappointed that Nature.com is engaging in this kind of sensational journalism. From their own article: > He praises the study, which was difficult to perform because of the amount and quality of data, but adds that it is limited because it does not break the data down by key factors, such as the…
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Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows
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> What were they even right about with the vaccine? The things it was tested for. Preventing hospitalization and death from Covid. Which the Pfizer, Moderna and even J&J shots are terrifically good at. > credibility is going to be lost if we don’t pull heads out of butts So? The people who matter mostly got the message. People who wanted protection mostly got it.
I have taken both jnj and Moderna. But I have to admit that the grandparent has a point. It feels it’s almost heretical to say, but the vaccines were terribly over-sold. In the beginning they were sold as traditional vaccines - prevention against infection not just serious disease. But very soon we saw “breakthrough infections” (not even written about anymore as they are so common) and the goal posts started being mo…
The virus mutated and became more resistant, nobody should have to explain that to a grown-ass adult. The General Public deserves an F for civic-mindedness, being able to ascertain good sources of information on the internet, and scientific literacy.
It's a miracle the vaccines were available as soon they were and it prevent hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths globally. And you are mad about 3rd party marketing. We all collectively deserve what's coming.
Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows
#45There are no conclusions to draw here. The study doesn't "show" anything -- it indicates a need for further research. I'm disappointed that Nature.com is engaging in this kind of sensational journalism. From their own article: > He praises the study, which was difficult to perform because of the amount and quality of data, but adds that it is limited because it does not break the data down by key factors, such as the…
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> I am logical as they come
> the (clearly engineered)
Yeh. No.
Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows
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Developed countries tend to maintain rigorous public statistics on causes of death. There is no reason to fall back to anecdata. If you're paranoid that your particular country is manipulating data, look at some other developed country's data.
I live in Ontario, Canada. For a long period of time the province reported deaths _with_ COVID, not necessarily deaths _because of_ COVID [1]. So when public health officials and the govts do stuffs like this, I cannot blame people when they are skpetic of COVID data. [1] https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-is-changing-how-it-report...
That's not really applicable to this theory, is it? In this case the attributed and recorded cause of death would be heart failure.
Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What were they even right about with the vaccine? The things it was tested for. Preventing hospitalization and death from Covid. Which the Pfizer, Moderna and even J&J shots are terrifically good at. > credibility is going to be lost if we don’t pull heads out of butts So? The people who matter mostly got the message. People who wanted protection mostly got it.
I have taken both jnj and Moderna. But I have to admit that the grandparent has a point. It feels it’s almost heretical to say, but the vaccines were terribly over-sold. In the beginning they were sold as traditional vaccines - prevention against infection not just serious disease. But very soon we saw “breakthrough infections” (not even written about anymore as they are so common) and the goal posts started being mo…
> Public health establishment deserves a D- for their handling of the pandemic starting basically on day 1.
D- for clear communication and providing leadership to the public? Definitely!
D- for the vaccines though? Definitely not!
The vaccines have dramatically reduced the death rate from the disease. The disease mutated to bypass the vaccine -- yet the vaccine still provides a lot of protection despite that. What more can you realistically expect?
Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would love to compare these rates against other common respiratory viruses. Long term effects from viral infections is not unique to covid. The only thing unique about covid is we are watching it 1000x more than anything previous to it. ... if you look for something, you'll find it. Test everybody with a pulse for the flu and then track the long term effects the same way we are with covid and I'm sure you'll see a…
COVID virus spike protein attaches directly to ACE2 receptors which are found all over the blood vessels in the body. It is uniquely evolved to target and damage the vascular system in the body. edit: And people ARE tracking things like flu vs. COVID statistics. So far COVID-19 is roughly 10x as deadly as a bad flu year. Ten times...
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Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What were they even right about with the vaccine? The things it was tested for. Preventing hospitalization and death from Covid. Which the Pfizer, Moderna and even J&J shots are terrifically good at. > credibility is going to be lost if we don’t pull heads out of butts So? The people who matter mostly got the message. People who wanted protection mostly got it.
I have taken both jnj and Moderna. But I have to admit that the grandparent has a point. It feels it’s almost heretical to say, but the vaccines were terribly over-sold. In the beginning they were sold as traditional vaccines - prevention against infection not just serious disease. But very soon we saw “breakthrough infections” (not even written about anymore as they are so common) and the goal posts started being mo…
> But very soon we saw “breakthrough infections” (not even written about anymore as they are so common) and the goal posts started being moved.
It's almost as if we learned new things as time went on and more observations were made, and adjusted expectations and actions based on that new information. I know, total crazy talk.
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That's the impression I get from the media. But if not for the media, I wouldn't know anybody was dying of anything. Nobody in any of my social circles have died in over 3 years. Going off what I've personally observed, I've seen no evidence of either a pandemic or the vaccines being dangerous. To be clear, I don't think it's all made up. Just that it's been blown up, completely out of proportion. All of it.
You either believe the statistics, or you don't - but your anecdata is meaningless. The excess mortality figures tell you need to know.