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Re: OP-1 field

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Post by anentropic »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #20
anentropic wrote: post #15

The design is beautiful, but it's not really clear from this page what it is.

It's quite obvious to me that it's a keyboard instrument from the first picture alone. The copy gives plenty of information on the synthesis and sampling capabilities.

Yeah I can see it has a keyboard, presumably some kind of synthesiser.

It also appears to have some recording facility, but not clear how to get audio into it - can't tell what ports it has. Is the recording feature just for sequencing internal sample and synth sounds?

Or... they highlight the new version now has a 2.4ghz antenna - do you stream audio in/out over bluetooth?

A little explanation of basically what it can do or how they imagine it being used would go a long way

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Post by bambax »

chaosprint wrote: post #36
bambax wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://glicol.org This looks absolutely fantastic! Thanks for sharing. Live coding in a VST (like this project https://www.osar.fr/protoplug/ ) would be the next thing? > remember to play with line 14 On my screen, line numbers are almost invisible (.CodeMirror-linenumber #e0e2e5).

Live coding in VST is already possible: https://youtu.be/tmmBhBmIEW0 Glicol is also an audio library, so you can write VST plugin with Glicol: https://github.com/chaosprint/dattorro-vst-rs

Wow. Absolutely amazing.

About writing VSTs, does it require JUCE, etc.?

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Post by capableweb »

bravura wrote: post #35

The people complaining about the price tag: I get it. But the OP-1 is literally the only piece of music gear you can bring on an airplane and write a whole song. Why has no one else figured that out? With all these groove boxes etc, why has no other music gear taken the step of being portable and all-in-one. Show me another way to write a song in an airplane, and you can have my money.

> Why has no one else figured that out?

It is literally not the only piece of music gear you can bring on a airplane and write a whole song...

Just a recent example, the Syntakt is very capable for writing full songs. So is other gear in the Elektron lineup, namely Digitakt.

Otherwise you also have (cheaper) gear like the Novation Circuit Tracks that can also do the same.

I mean, a cursory search for "portable grooveboxes" should have revealed a ton of results for you, that are able to do the same job as the OP-1 but for even as low as 1/4 of the price (the Circuit Tracks)

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Post by lvl102 »

bravura wrote: post #35

The people complaining about the price tag: I get it. But the OP-1 is literally the only piece of music gear you can bring on an airplane and write a whole song. Why has no one else figured that out? With all these groove boxes etc, why has no other music gear taken the step of being portable and all-in-one. Show me another way to write a song in an airplane, and you can have my money.

It’s called Macbook with Logic Pro.

You can send your money directly to Apple.

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Post by chaosprint »

capableweb wrote: post #17
chaosprint wrote: post #13

It looks nice and I may consider buying one for research purpose. But I know the price tag can be quite high for many. Maybe that's partially the reason that I believe free and open-source software is a form or music democratisation. I would like to invite those who are interested in this idea to try my live coding project in the browser: https://glicol.org I have been taking this project to different workshops and t…

Talking about making it easier to write music and then linking to a programming language for making music feels a bit weird. Yes, hardware is a barrier for sure, but a even larger barrier would be to put it behind a complicated programming language. If we really want to "democratize music tech" (whatever that means), then I think things like the Korg Volcas are much closer to achieving that. Cheaper than most compute…

Good point! Programming language can be harder to learn. I totally agree with it. With a hardware, you can easily make some sound. But on the other hand, languages are free and we can make the docs and videos so that the learning curve can be less steep. I would be amazed if one without any previous experience can master, say Mother-32, even with manuals and tutorials.

Also, the way I design Glicol (graph-oritend live coding language) is actually against normal programming paradigms such as FP or OOP. I always let my students to hear and see how an audio node works. I would call it as an instrument-design perspective. This may also lower the learning bar.

And to compare programming languages with hardware tools, I can also mention the logic loop. For example, you can easily duplicate 100 oscillators in live coding but generally impossible to achieve with hardware synth.

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Post by closedloop129 »

chaosprint wrote: post #13

It looks nice and I may consider buying one for research purpose. But I know the price tag can be quite high for many. Maybe that's partially the reason that I believe free and open-source software is a form or music democratisation. I would like to invite those who are interested in this idea to try my live coding project in the browser: https://glicol.org I have been taking this project to different workshops and t…

To make it more democratic, could you add a gui that records interactions as glicol source code?

That way it would be possible to immediately start making music without having to learn the language first.

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Post by bambax »

varispeed wrote: post #34
bambax wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I think there is room for both. I own two Volcas, and don't use them much unfortunately. The problem with hardware is it's extremely difficult, or downright impossible, to save state. On a physical modular synth, the only way to remember what you did is to write it down or (maybe) take pictures. On a virtual modular synth all you have to do is Save As. I'm sure OP-1 can save its patches, but that doesn't…

Why do you need to save state? If you don't, it helps you finish the project and move onto the next one. And if you do it every day, then you could likely dial in any settings from your own memory quicker that it would have taken to menu dive and load from disk.

I need to save state because I don't finish projects in one sitting, and I don't have enough room (or money) to have different instances of the same machine lying around forever.

MIDI controllers are great (and I even built a couple myself) to let one interact physically with an instrument. But I'm not sure I get the appeal of physical synths.

To each their own though. I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm just saying the key to more music is not necessarily more physical objects; more software is also great.

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Post by import »

bravura wrote: post #35

The people complaining about the price tag: I get it. But the OP-1 is literally the only piece of music gear you can bring on an airplane and write a whole song. Why has no one else figured that out? With all these groove boxes etc, why has no other music gear taken the step of being portable and all-in-one. Show me another way to write a song in an airplane, and you can have my money.

You can bring MPC live 2 on an airplane. It’s way more capable thing if you compare with the OP1.

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Post by chaosprint »

bambax wrote: post #42
chaosprint wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Live coding in VST is already possible: https://youtu.be/tmmBhBmIEW0 Glicol is also an audio library, so you can write VST plugin with Glicol: https://github.com/chaosprint/dattorro-vst-rs

Wow. Absolutely amazing. About writing VSTs, does it require JUCE, etc.?

No, it uses EGUI in Rust for the GUI, and Glicol synth as the audio engine. The link of that repo is actually a GitHub template so one can easily customise it to any audio effect.

Re: OP-1 field

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Post by aosaigh »

Who is this for? Is it for music professionals who can actually record music (or ideas) on the go? Or is it for wealthy enthusiasts who have cash to throw around at a fun piece of kit?

It's a beautiful piece of hardware from a design-first company and from all the reviews of the original it seems to be an excellent and unique music making machine, but at the price I'm just not sure who it's aimed at.

I'm not a musician but I've played the piano for a lot of my life. I'd love to experiment with making music and the original OP-1 looked like a lot of fun. I'd kept my eye on it and was thinking of pulling the trigger. At $1k+ though it was a total stretch for a non-professional. The new OP-1 at $2k+ is just ludicrous.

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