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Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by MrMan »

chrisco255 wrote: post #18

Right now, we have a host of problems, almost all of them manmade, but no, they're not related to the state of nature or even mankind's influence on nature. We are on the brink of world war three and the UN's only reason for existing is to prevent that from happening again, but instead of doing its job it's playing propaganda games with the word 'disaster' to make you think a global carbon tax is the solution to all…

we definitely need a global carbon tax and more centralization , ie a world government

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by MrMan »

verisimi wrote: post #3

Coming from the UN, we already know what the answer will be. More governance, more/better management of risk by the UN that is then delegated to its administrative regions (the US, EU, etc). This is because as long as we are talking about risk, this plays into the hands of a global governance structure. All risks should be planned for and managed - I mean the covid response was fantastic, right? What was wrong was no…

we essentially have global anarchy in much of the world, where governments control very little. more of this is a recipe for more destruction.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by I_DRINK_KOOLAID »

temp8964 wrote: post #24
chrisco255 wrote: post #18

Right now, we have a host of problems, almost all of them manmade, but no, they're not related to the state of nature or even mankind's influence on nature. We are on the brink of world war three and the UN's only reason for existing is to prevent that from happening again, but instead of doing its job it's playing propaganda games with the word 'disaster' to make you think a global carbon tax is the solution to all…

Also do remember WHO played political game on the side of China at the beginning of the pandemic. That’s one of the reasons we got in this new SARS.

Wuhan had its first cases on Dec-17th , on Jan-14th the sequence was out and shipped across the globe.

If you think that delay is bad wait and see if a pandemic develops in Yemen or in Sub-Saharan Africa...those countries would need 8-9 months to notice an outbreak not to mention sequencing.

We have an example with HIV. It made the leap somewhere in Africa between 1945 and 1952. The world noticed it when it arrived to developed countries in the 1980s...

Hatred against China is cheap talk, when it's time to discuss the quality of life haircut that a complete decoupling would cause all of a sudden each and every person (be it a professor, a dude at the bar or anybody else) is only looking for an off-ramp to get off the conversation and blame Davos/Schwab/the illuminati. This is true in NYC as well as Shanghai

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by MrMan »

axiomsEnd wrote: post #13
verisimi wrote: post #3

Coming from the UN, we already know what the answer will be. More governance, more/better management of risk by the UN that is then delegated to its administrative regions (the US, EU, etc). This is because as long as we are talking about risk, this plays into the hands of a global governance structure. All risks should be planned for and managed - I mean the covid response was fantastic, right? What was wrong was no…

How do we want to fight global warming, if we have rather big industries and local incentives pushing in favor of fossil fuels..?

I dont think these libertarians care about global warming just getting Ruch using their short lives

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by dustingetz »

phkahler wrote: post #39
jolux wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that economic growth is extremely important to developing economies as well. It’s one thing to say we should limit growth, or deprioritize it, or whatever, but in practice this means forcing poor countries to accept lower standards of living. That’s the real trade-off here.

Growth can't continue indefinitely. In fact a lot of growth today is actually fudging the numbers to make them look good.

innovation can?

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by [deleted] »

phkahler wrote: post #39
jolux wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that economic growth is extremely important to developing economies as well. It’s one thing to say we should limit growth, or deprioritize it, or whatever, but in practice this means forcing poor countries to accept lower standards of living. That’s the real trade-off here.

Growth can't continue indefinitely. In fact a lot of growth today is actually fudging the numbers to make them look good.

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Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by prasadjoglekar »

jolux wrote: post #37
throwawaymaths wrote: post #22

> broken perception of risk based on “optimism, underestimation and invincibility" How about artificially low interest rates? An interest rate is exactly the coordination between risk and time, with a low interest rate you're subsidizing stupidity and wastefulness, and with its concommittant inflation you're forcing people into making those investments to stay afloat. Maybe if we weren't goosing the interest rate low…

The problem is that economic growth is extremely important to developing economies as well. It’s one thing to say we should limit growth, or deprioritize it, or whatever, but in practice this means forcing poor countries to accept lower standards of living. That’s the real trade-off here.

Not really. China and India grew even during the 1990s when $ interest rates were not 0 and quite high. Single largest removal of poverty in the world.

Growth in both those countries was due to them opening up economies to internal and external entrepreneurialism and capital.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by lm28469 »

newsclues wrote: post #33
lm28469 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I stopped respecting the UN when they said they criticized Elon Musk The UN isn't perfect but it sure as hell better than no communication between countries at all. Elon Musk is insignificant compared to that, "I stopped respecting the biggest world forum when they criticised an egomaniac entrepreneur" jeez... > Bureaucrats with humanities degrees at the UN don't solve problems, if they were solved, their jobs woul…

Have you considered solving problems is hard and ends the gravy train, and if you get an opportunity to personally benefit, most people given the chance take the easy personal profits rather than to go down fighting the system?

Of course it is hard and of course people will take personal profit, it's the human natures. What's your point ? You can apply the same thing to the US government or the EU institutions, what's your alternative ?

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by [deleted] »

prasadjoglekar wrote: post #47
jolux wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that economic growth is extremely important to developing economies as well. It’s one thing to say we should limit growth, or deprioritize it, or whatever, but in practice this means forcing poor countries to accept lower standards of living. That’s the real trade-off here.

Not really. China and India grew even during the 1990s when $ interest rates were not 0 and quite high. Single largest removal of poverty in the world. Growth in both those countries was due to them opening up economies to internal and external entrepreneurialism and capital.

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Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by lm28469 »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #30
lm28469 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did you know that electric cars were very popular 100 years ago - but because of the oil industry + government, they were quashed? Er this is extremely simplistic. Electricity wasn't as common as now and battery tech was extremely shitty (requiring maintenance every few days, handling acids, &c.)

> > Did you know that electric cars were very popular 100 years ago - but because of the oil industry + government, they were quashed? > Electricity wasn't as common as now and battery tech was extremely shitty (requiring maintenance every few days, handling acids, &c.) When automobiles first appeared, gasoline was not as common as now and internal combustion technology was primitive, requiring almost constant mainte…

> When automobiles first appeared, gasoline was not as common as now and internal combustion technology was primitive, requiring almost constant maintenance, handling flammable liquids etc.

Yeah and one ended up easier to develop than the other. Even when we started producing proper batteries they were not good enough for cars (80s, 90s, 2000s), it took a few decade to get good engines, it took a century for proper batteries

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