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IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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I don't see a reference to GLONASS in the sub's page. Edit: It angers me that high-ranking users abuse their priviledge to downvote. I'm making a legitimate point here; I don't see "GLONASS" or any reference to alternative GPS in that page. On Reddit, someone suggested that TIL links to Wikipedia should point to the specific information, not the whole article. It got >1000 upvotes. When I point out that there is no o…

Ctrl+F -> GLONASS. It's there.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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Precisions: * GPS: 2.00—8.76 m * GLONASS: 4.46—7.38 m * GPS+GLONASS: 2.37—4.65 m [citation needed] (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS ).

I don't understand from your table how the combined use of GPS+GLONASS would have a worse 'best case', 2.00 for GPS alone vs 2.37 for GPS+GLONASS.

There probably is some general statistical explanation of why you can get worse accuracy from combining multiple sources than each source by itself, but it seems irrelevant.

In actual receiver implementation you really get worse accuracy for simpler reason: most of the hardware resources (ie. receiver channels) are same between GPS and GLONASS, so using GLONASS ties up resources for GPS and vice versa.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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Related: the two first Galileo satellites ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation) ) will be launched tomorrow. The claimed precision of the free-for-all service is as granular as 1 meter, with the military/commercial service claiming to reach centimeter precision. I wonder when this shows up in smartphones.

Wonder how feasible it would be to have a single GPS+GLONASS+Galileo chip that automatically feeds you the service(s) with the best signal; without murdering your battery?

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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post #34

I don't see a reference to GLONASS in the sub's page. Edit: It angers me that high-ranking users abuse their priviledge to downvote. I'm making a legitimate point here; I don't see "GLONASS" or any reference to alternative GPS in that page. On Reddit, someone suggested that TIL links to Wikipedia should point to the specific information, not the whole article. It got >1000 upvotes. When I point out that there is no o…

Ctrl+F -> GLONASS. It's there.

Assisted GPS

Digital compass

Wi-Fi

Cellular

I did a CTRL-F on GLONASS and no match is found. I said I did this in my edit... I'd take a screenshot, but I'm at work.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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Precisions: * GPS: 2.00—8.76 m * GLONASS: 4.46—7.38 m * GPS+GLONASS: 2.37—4.65 m [citation needed] (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS ).

From which: To improve development of the user segment, on August 11, 2010, Sergei Ivanov announced a plan to introduce a 25% import duty on all GPS-capable devices, including mobile phones, unless they are compatible with GLONASS. I think I can see why the GPS chipsets are starting to adopt this...

I was surprised when I saw GLONASS support appear in recent Garmin devices. http://garmin.blogs.com/my_weblog/2011/09/garmin-etrex-and-g... Now it starts to really make sense.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

though off-topic and a bit of an aside, at university (I did civ eng) I learnt that it was possible to get cm-levels of accuracy out of GPS through clever arrangement of multiple sensors (for e.g. measuring the movement of buildings due to subsidence, etc.) In fact I just found a wikipedia article all about it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_augmentation :)

They use this on automated farms. At known co-ordinates, they stick a GPS receiver in the ground. The difference between the known co-ordinates and what that GPS receiver sees is then continuously transmitted to the vehicles on the farm.

Thats very interesting. Do you have any information on how much these farms are automated?

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

#47
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering whether it actually matters to people whether their GPS device has 2, 4 or 7m accuracy. Anything with lower resolution than about 5 cm is going to be largely useless for robotic driving, etc, particularly anything worse than 2 m res - so really (and not meaning to be rude to you and your research efforts) - isn't the different resolution irrelevant, and isn't the only reason GPS users should be happy ab…

Computer driving is more about vision systems than GPS. Maps certainly aren't accurate into the centimeter range in any event. Sailors find that their charts are some times off by kilometers. I've personally seen a large, erroneous discontinuity in the western coast of St. Lucia while using a GPS chart plotter for navigation. Chart data is copied forward from older charts, many of which were made in the 1800s, those…

Wow. Shouldn't it be strate forward to correct such large errors by using public available satellite images?

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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post #34

I don't see a reference to GLONASS in the sub's page. Edit: It angers me that high-ranking users abuse their priviledge to downvote. I'm making a legitimate point here; I don't see "GLONASS" or any reference to alternative GPS in that page. On Reddit, someone suggested that TIL links to Wikipedia should point to the specific information, not the whole article. It got >1000 upvotes. When I point out that there is no o…

The first time I opened the specs page (right after this was posted), there was no mention of GLONASS for me either. Looking at google's cache atm, it's not there either ( http://goo.gl/ulMM7 ). When I refreshed the page 30 minutes ago, it had appeared, so my guess would be that this has something to do with distributed cache servers.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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post #34

I don't see a reference to GLONASS in the sub's page. Edit: It angers me that high-ranking users abuse their priviledge to downvote. I'm making a legitimate point here; I don't see "GLONASS" or any reference to alternative GPS in that page. On Reddit, someone suggested that TIL links to Wikipedia should point to the specific information, not the whole article. It got >1000 upvotes. When I point out that there is no o…

Ctrl+F -> GLONASS. It's there.

Unfortunately I'm seeing the same thing. the first thing I did was search for GLONASS.

Re: IPhone 4S has GLONASS in addition to GPS

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post #6
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Precisions: * GPS: 2.00—8.76 m * GLONASS: 4.46—7.38 m * GPS+GLONASS: 2.37—4.65 m [citation needed] (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS ).

though off-topic and a bit of an aside, at university (I did civ eng) I learnt that it was possible to get cm-levels of accuracy out of GPS through clever arrangement of multiple sensors (for e.g. measuring the movement of buildings due to subsidence, etc.) In fact I just found a wikipedia article all about it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_augmentation :)

I'd imagine that if you just left a GPS receiver in the same place for long enough, the movement of the GPS satellites would provide some decent dithering for the signal, letting you get fairly decent accuracy just by averaging a lot of measurements. I'm sure there are other methods that work more quickly, though.
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