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Re: MenuetOS

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Post by prmoustache » Sat, May 07, 2022, 9:49 AM UTC

cmeacham98 wrote: post #28

The author seems to be violating the GPL with Menuet64? Menuet64 is pretty clearly a derivative work of Menuet32, which is GPL. However, Menuet64 is released under a non-free license. Originally I believed the author may be the sole author of Menuet32, and thus could relicense to whatever they wanted. However, the release notes ( https://www.menuetos.net/relnotes.htm ) credit many other authors with their contributio…

Well it depends on the potential agreement with the other authors, I would say it is none of our business if they don't complain about it.

Not sure if it becomes "legal" to breach the GPL if original authors die though.

Re: MenuetOS

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Post by tpoacher » Sat, May 07, 2022, 10:18 AM UTC

Has anyone here used this as their main OS (or at least made some reasonable use of it rather than simply "install to check it out")?

I'm always curious to install and try out such "alternative" OSes, but usually the novelty wears off quite quickly, as the bar to using it for anything nontrivial is usually too high to justify the time investment.

Re: MenuetOS

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Post by mahkoh » Sat, May 07, 2022, 11:11 AM UTC

Sirened wrote: post #20

Always love hobby operating systems which leave UNIX and POSIX behind. It's really a shame that we're slowly converging on POSIX being the basis of _all_ operating systems since it forces some bizarre and undesirable design decisions [1]. Dropping POSIX and building something new gives us a chance to actually explore novel ideas in operating systems design. [1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/20…

Any paper that proposes to remove functionality without attempting to steelman said functionality can safely be disregarded.

Re: MenuetOS

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Post by oefnak » Sat, May 07, 2022, 11:24 AM UTC

sedatk wrote: post #38

obituary_latte wrote: post #15

I miss Terry ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS ).

I think he was shadowbanned on HN due to his racist remarks.

How would you know you are shadowbanned? I've never gotten a response to any comment I've posted here.

Re: MenuetOS

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Post by siskiyou » Sat, May 07, 2022, 11:42 AM UTC

oefnak wrote: post #44

sedatk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he was shadowbanned on HN due to his racist remarks.

How would you know you are shadowbanned? I've never gotten a response to any comment I've posted here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=oefnak

Re: MenuetOS

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Post by GekkePrutser » Sat, May 07, 2022, 11:44 AM UTC

cmeacham98 wrote: post #28

The author seems to be violating the GPL with Menuet64? Menuet64 is pretty clearly a derivative work of Menuet32, which is GPL. However, Menuet64 is released under a non-free license. Originally I believed the author may be the sole author of Menuet32, and thus could relicense to whatever they wanted. However, the release notes ( https://www.menuetos.net/relnotes.htm ) credit many other authors with their contributio…

I also don't really understand the reason for the relicensing. There doesn't seem to be a commercial version available.

Re: MenuetOS

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Post by dsr_ » Sat, May 07, 2022, 11:49 AM UTC

tpoacher wrote: post #42

Has anyone here used this as their main OS (or at least made some reasonable use of it rather than simply "install to check it out")? I'm always curious to install and try out such "alternative" OSes, but usually the novelty wears off quite quickly, as the bar to using it for anything nontrivial is usually too high to justify the time investment.

I think that ChromeOS is an existence proof about the minimum set of features for a "main OS" these days.

Re: MenuetOS

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Post by conradev » Sat, May 07, 2022, 11:56 AM UTC

Sirened wrote: post #20

Always love hobby operating systems which leave UNIX and POSIX behind. It's really a shame that we're slowly converging on POSIX being the basis of _all_ operating systems since it forces some bizarre and undesirable design decisions [1]. Dropping POSIX and building something new gives us a chance to actually explore novel ideas in operating systems design. [1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/20…

Fuchsia is not a hobby operating system (it is deployed to production by Google) and it kinda leaves POSIX behind, which I find cool

https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/docs/+/d4f9b980f18fc6722b06...

Re: MenuetOS

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Post by neurostimulant » Sat, May 07, 2022, 11:57 AM UTC

idiocrat wrote: post #26

Would be great to have an image in WASM v86 emulator https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31270543 https://github.com/copy/v86 https://copy.sh/v86/

KolibriOS is a fork of MenuetOS and it's available on that WASM v86 emulator: https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=kolibrios

Re: MenuetOS

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Post by conradev » Sat, May 07, 2022, 12:01 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #31

Sirened wrote: post #20

Always love hobby operating systems which leave UNIX and POSIX behind. It's really a shame that we're slowly converging on POSIX being the basis of _all_ operating systems since it forces some bizarre and undesirable design decisions [1]. Dropping POSIX and building something new gives us a chance to actually explore novel ideas in operating systems design. [1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/20…

Depends where you look. The cloud OSes have long left classical UNIX behind, Kubernetes or managed languages on top of type 1 hypervisors are the name of the game, even if there is some POSIX based kernel somewhere on the stack. On the mobile side, although Android and iOS have some POSIX support, it hardly matters for app development. Even on macOS, which is a certified UNIX, if you want access to some of the modern…

All of these things are ultimately abstractions built on top of POSIX (aside from actual unikernels which can be used in the virtualization scenario)

It absolutely does free OS designers to remove the POSIX parts from in between, but no one really has yet