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Re: UK telecom EE blocks archive.org

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Post by mastazi »

toby- wrote: post #15

The title sounds rather alarming. In reality, this is one mobile ISP blocking archive.org as part of its parental controls. I can't help but wonder if this is the author's first exposure to ISPs' content blocking? Still, I'm curious as to the logic (if any) behind targeting archive.org - is it because it allows filters to be bypassed, or was it in error? Or something else?

It is enabled by default, so it's a big deal in my opinion.

Edit: also, "parental control" is not really a good description for something that is active by default for anyone regardless of their age. It is quite literally a case of "nanny ISP".

Re: UK telecom EE blocks archive.org

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Post by naikrovek »

dlivingston wrote: post #21

Looking into this a bit more, this seems like a classic case of “much ado about nothing.” The situation as I understand it: 1. A UK telecom company, EE, has an optional (!!) parental control feature, which blocks websites based on a user-selected threshold [0] 2. Archive.org was added to this block-list. This makes sense at first glance: as an exercise to the reader, go to archive.org and type in the URL of your favo…

thank you. overreactions over things like this REALLY increase people's "I care about this" fatigue more than people realize.

those who do the overreacting never seem to look into things and immediately jump to incorrect conclusions, and observers eventually get an understanding that these issues are crackpot issues and not real, or not real enough to care about.

it erodes the awareness of the issue that the overreacting person hopes (consciously or not) to increase.

it really is a shame that most "civic-level" advocates are so poor at their advocacy; paid lobbyists are quite effective, indeed.

Re: UK telecom EE blocks archive.org

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Post by Const-me »

baisq wrote: post #9
mrtksn wrote: post #5

I’m just sad to watch the world following Turkey’s steps on Internet control. These ISP level “security filters” have been a thing in Turkey since 2011. They are optional but they always try to trick people into enabling them. There’s even safe internet day(5th February), they send you an SMS with a link to instantly enable filters to celebrate internet safety day. What I find weird though, not all sites are blocked…

I’m sure these services exist in every country. I don’t see the problem if they’re opt-in.

I'm pretty sure Montenegro doesn't block anything on the internets.

Re: UK telecom EE blocks archive.org

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Post by mastazi »

StireFarter wrote: post #29
wumpus wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a child, I was allowed to go into the adult library. In a conservative, Southern US state. It's a shame to see the UK being more right wing than the most conservative parts of the US.

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I'm not quite sure that something that is on by default for everyone can be described as parental control, unless in the context of a nanny-state metaphor?

Re: UK telecom EE blocks archive.org

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Post by leakbang »

dlivingston wrote: post #21

Looking into this a bit more, this seems like a classic case of “much ado about nothing.” The situation as I understand it: 1. A UK telecom company, EE, has an optional (!!) parental control feature, which blocks websites based on a user-selected threshold [0] 2. Archive.org was added to this block-list. This makes sense at first glance: as an exercise to the reader, go to archive.org and type in the URL of your favo…

> This makes sense at first glance: as an exercise to the reader, go to archive.org and type in the URL of your favorite porn website.

If this is their reasoning, then it's silly to me. With this logic every search engine should be blocked! Even with all their domain blacklisting simply searching for adult content on google images will yield millions of results. Probably more than archive.org :)

I think this is an honest mistake. I reckon they either had a crawler that flagged archive.org or maybe someone added it by mistake and never realized it :)

Re: UK telecom EE blocks archive.org

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Post by nomilk »

Although I use wayback machine infrequently (1-2 times per week), I hold it's one of the most important websites in existence - up there with wikipedia - it's the digital equivalent of a famous museum.

I do wish there was a wayback machine for youtube videos, because of all the now dead links in my technical and personal notes. I suspect the cost of hosting video is too high.

Re: UK telecom EE blocks archive.org

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Post by zeusk »

leakbang wrote: post #45
dlivingston wrote: post #21

Looking into this a bit more, this seems like a classic case of “much ado about nothing.” The situation as I understand it: 1. A UK telecom company, EE, has an optional (!!) parental control feature, which blocks websites based on a user-selected threshold [0] 2. Archive.org was added to this block-list. This makes sense at first glance: as an exercise to the reader, go to archive.org and type in the URL of your favo…

> This makes sense at first glance: as an exercise to the reader, go to archive.org and type in the URL of your favorite porn website. If this is their reasoning, then it's silly to me. With this logic every search engine should be blocked! Even with all their domain blacklisting simply searching for adult content on google images will yield millions of results. Probably more than archive.org :) I think this is an ho…

The difference is that search engines will generally redirect to the external website while archive.org lets you browse the page on their domain.

As an added exercise, maybe try translate.google.com to see if it's blocked as well.

Re: UK telecom EE blocks archive.org

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Post by makeitdouble »

IanCal wrote: post #6

This is not really new. Iirc the requirement agreed with the government was that users would have an active choice for filtering or not, which I think is required for mobile connections. This is an age gated thing essentially, and can be removed at the request of the user (or never added). Age rated things require some ID I think. That archive.org, a place to archive essentially any content , gets flagged as potentia…

> can be removed at the request of the user

We’d be pissed to no end if Google deployed an opt-out arbitrary content filtering module in Chrome.

Why would you expect an ISP to get a pass for it ? (except for it having precedents)

Re: UK telecom EE blocks archive.org

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Post by JasonFruit »

stavros wrote: post #32
callamdelaney wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids just shouldn't have phones with data plans.

Why not?

For the same reason they shouldn't have firearms. People shouldn't let their kids be unsupervised with even a very useful item where the risk is high and they haven't yet developed the self-control to use it wisely. Eventually you have to let go, but that transition time is critical.
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