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Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

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Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

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"By 2023, almost all buses in Oslo [Norway] will be electric": https://norwaytoday.info/news/by-2023-almost-all-buses-in-os...

The Scandinavians are doing a good job of being ahead of us environmentally. Probably only behind China in electric bus adoption.

Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

#42

Don't take this as an indictment of all electric buses. London has over 500 electric buses (out of 9,000). A lot of the buses in my neighborhood are the new electric double-decker ones and it's extremely nice. They are quieter, run smoother, don't polute the air, and have cool features like USB charging at every seat. It is like riding in a Tesla - just an obviously better bus experience. It will just take some time…

>It is like riding in a Tesla

Not sure it is an advantage. My city had electric troley buses for many years. People are complaining about fast acceleration. Some bad drivers just slams gas with bus full of standing people.

Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The floor of the bus needs to be as low as possible to make it easier for elderly or otherwise disabled people to get on and off.

That's why kneeling busses exist. Are EV busses not equipped with that feature?

The active suspension for kneeling is actually also used in EV buses to compensate for the high center of gravity. See this video about the Mercedes eCitaro[1] for some visuals and technical information.

[1] https://youtu.be/Om3uVW4lskE?t=327

Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

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post #25

Don't take this as an indictment of all electric buses. London has over 500 electric buses (out of 9,000). A lot of the buses in my neighborhood are the new electric double-decker ones and it's extremely nice. They are quieter, run smoother, don't polute the air, and have cool features like USB charging at every seat. It is like riding in a Tesla - just an obviously better bus experience. It will just take some time…

This is just great! Now they need electric taxis. Hopefully the end of the black snot!

Thanks to the ULEZ (ultra-low emission zone) in London, this is very much already happening — anecdotally (because I can't find any easy numbers right now, everything I can find is from 2020) a huge number of the private and public taxis in London are now hybrid or full electric.

Apparently there are already 5k TX electric taxis out there, which is a good start:

https://levc.com/levc-celebrates-sale-of-5000th-tx-electric-...

https://levc.com/tx-taxi/overview/

Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

#45
post #24

In the past we have had electric bus with electricity coming from an aerial network, surely they have some limits, but they are the sole logic design for a city. A small battery just to emergency maneuver but nothing more. It's FAR cheaper and it's already proved they can last 50+ years without much maintenance. Batteries are meaningful for cars and trucks waiting for some aerial electrical network like starting from…

Overhead wires take a lot of maintenance - point of reference, Vancouver BC's transit authority reported maintenance costs per km were actually higher for their electric trolleys than both their diesel and CNG buses. And having lived with them, being effectively restricted to being 'on rails' leads to challenges in traffic or road closures where traditional buses would re-route down a different street.

I think battery-buses are the future - the ability to roll and change routes without capital infrastructure set up will be king

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/translink/documents/about-t... (page 77, PDF page 90)

Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

#46
post #39

If I was a competitor, I would look for ways to sabotage the idea of electric vehicles. If I can think of it, I'm guessing other people are thinking it too. Maybe even doing it, like having buss batteries catch fire.

Electric buses are around in many cities for 100 years, they usually do not catch fire.

Large lithium ion batteries are new, however.

Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

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post #39

If I was a competitor, I would look for ways to sabotage the idea of electric vehicles. If I can think of it, I'm guessing other people are thinking it too. Maybe even doing it, like having buss batteries catch fire.

Most bus builders make what cities will buy and have diesel, natural gas and electric projects.

Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

#48

Don't take this as an indictment of all electric buses. London has over 500 electric buses (out of 9,000). A lot of the buses in my neighborhood are the new electric double-decker ones and it's extremely nice. They are quieter, run smoother, don't polute the air, and have cool features like USB charging at every seat. It is like riding in a Tesla - just an obviously better bus experience. It will just take some time…

Electric buses are not a new hip thing, we have had electric buses since forever. It's called a trolleybus. At the moment its in every way superior to batteries.

Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric buses are around in many cities for 100 years, they usually do not catch fire.

Large lithium ion batteries are new, however.

TFL has been running all-electric bus routes in several areas of London since at least 2014 with no issues.

All-electric lithium pack buses are +10 year old tech. Nothing about this is experimental.

This is probably more likely an OEM fuck-up or whoever was contracted by the city of Paris to supply these buses.

Re: Paris suspends electric bus fleet after two fires

#50

Don't take this as an indictment of all electric buses. London has over 500 electric buses (out of 9,000). A lot of the buses in my neighborhood are the new electric double-decker ones and it's extremely nice. They are quieter, run smoother, don't polute the air, and have cool features like USB charging at every seat. It is like riding in a Tesla - just an obviously better bus experience. It will just take some time…

>It is like riding in a Tesla Not sure it is an advantage. My city had electric troley buses for many years. People are complaining about fast acceleration. Some bad drivers just slams gas with bus full of standing people.

well that's easily fixed in software. tesla would actually be the best example for it.
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