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Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

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Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

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...and yet taxation does not reflect environmental at all. In some countries cow milk is even subsidized. Edit: cow milk is actually less healthy than alternatives and there is no reason to encourage it.

cow milk is an incredible nutrient rich food with associated health benefits for children. I haven't seen that milk alternatives have those benefits.

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#42

I'm not vegan or anything, but I've found oat milk not only tastes great on cereal etc, but it also keeps fresh for much longer in the fridge. I've pretty much given up buying cow's milk now days, unless I have a specific recipe or something that calls for it. Cheese, on the other hand, I can't see myself giving up any time soon!

It makes superior hot chocolate as it doesn't burn as it boils compared to regular milk

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#43
Is this including methane in GHG emissions? Looking at the following chart, we’re much closer to a balance with methane than CO2. Shifting fossil fuel use could put us into a balance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_methane#/media/F...

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#44

Questions that come to mind: 1. What percentage of land use for dairy cows is arable? 2. What percentage of water consumed by dairy cows is recycled (eg from rain water), how does that compare to something like almonds? 3. What percentage of greenhouse gas emissions are added to the environment over already existing in the environment and just being moved?

> What percentage of land use for dairy cows is arable?

Pretty much all of it. It's either being used directly for grass, or indirectly to grow grains which are fed to the cows.

> What percentage of greenhouse gas emissions are added to the environment over already existing in the environment and just being moved?

I think the number itself is the amount over what already existed.

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#45
Would be interesting to see how many people enjoy their meat and animal products if taken to a facility where said animals are kept, fed, killed etc. Wouldn't be surprised if cruelty to animals is the current generation's cigarette excessive smoking / genocide / rape and pillaging in wars etc. i.e. how could humans ever do this.

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#46
I really like milk. Why is it anywhere near the front of the list of things we have to be better at, to save the planet?

Sorry for the grump take. It feels very silly to be “what about” ish about this. Couldn’t we just tax plane fuel a bit more first or something?

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#47

Milk alternatives don't have any benefits in children. Milk drinking in children is thought to induce growth. You can't overdo it though as it interferes with iron absorption. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63647-8 see the references height difference found: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/106/2/597/4557638 may be related to IGF-1: https://www.nature.com/articles/1601948

Do we need big kids? Milk has a ton of calories and could be contributing to childhood obesity: https://nutritionfacts.org/2017/03/16/how-milk-may-contribut...

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#48

Milk alternatives don't have any benefits in children. Milk drinking in children is thought to induce growth. You can't overdo it though as it interferes with iron absorption. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63647-8 see the references height difference found: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/106/2/597/4557638 may be related to IGF-1: https://www.nature.com/articles/1601948

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Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#49
This isn't really giving enough context. It's absolutely true that per volume, plant products are going to beat dairy handily in resource usage. But, they aren't remotely 1:1 products. Basically, almond milk is a good "per volume" replacement for low-fat milk products for applications like pouring on cereal or mixing in coffee. And... not much else.

The bulk of dairy production isn't for "milk" at all, it goes into derived products (mostly cheeses). And while there are a few plant based alternatives in that space, they aren't "oat milk" or whatever.

Per this link, "fluid milk" is only 24% of dairy usage: https://www.progressivedairy.com/news/industry-news/how-is-t...

Basically, this article is doing the "paper straws" thing and addressing the wrong part of the problem. If you want to talk about dairy cow impact you need to get people off of ice cream and yogurt, not milk.

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