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Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by perardi » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:20 PM UTC

galogon wrote: post #2

The Watch, Mac and iPhone are doing great but the iPad lacks ambition and doesn't seem to have a direction. Who is in charge of the iPad division at Apple?

I remember headlines calling the iPad a big iPod touch when it came out.

…which is maybe kinda true? I have no idea if they want to make it a “Pro” device, despite the Pro moniker, because you still have such weird multitasking UI paradigms and so many limitations in terms of pro features. (Audio routing comes to mind. You can’t have Audio Hijack for iOS.)

And the value proposition of a fully loaded iPad with keyboard case is pretty dubious to me compared to just getting a MacBook Air. I know, I know, less apps, not a touch screen…but I can just do so much more with a Mac, and with the ARM transition, I also get the insane battery life of an iPad.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by outside1234 » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:20 PM UTC

Mac was the fastest growing hardware product too

(ref: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/28/apple-aapl-earnings-q2-2022....)

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by tuxone » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:21 PM UTC

galogon wrote: post #2

The Watch, Mac and iPhone are doing great but the iPad lacks ambition and doesn't seem to have a direction. Who is in charge of the iPad division at Apple?

Anecdotal but I am still fine with a 2013 iPad Air, just missing some features because of the non upgradable os. Not sure that the fact that sales are decreasing means that the iPad is doing bad

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by latchkey » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:22 PM UTC

vuln wrote: post #24

usaphp wrote: post #15

I've ordered a new macbook 14" in early March, my delivery date slipped twice already, now it says it's going to be delivered in July. I wonder how much more money would they make if not for supply issues.

Well it’s stopped me from upgrading my maxed out 2015 mbp. I’m very impatient and the 2015 is still going strong so part of me doesn’t even want to spend the money on a new device and then wait months for it to arrive.

You've been waiting 7 years already, what is another couple of months?

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by mywittyname » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:22 PM UTC

tacker2000 wrote: post #34

lvl102 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPad has so much potential with M1 now. They can make it a hybrid with iOS and MacOS for example. In fact, I’d be shocked if that’s not what they end up doing with the M2 line of iPad Pros.

Yea, what if one could instantly switch between macos and ios? Imagine having a super powerful ipad pro running mac os for your work stuff, and when you are lying on the couch you detach the keyboard and any external monitors and switch to the more touch friendly ios. I think that would be a much better approach than to try to merge the 2 OSes into one hybrid OS that can do neither this nor that very well.

I suspect the big issue here is that macOS has far fewer restrictions on its use than iOS does. So Apple would need to either lock down macOS, or open up iOS. They can't lock down macOS because of professionals, and they really don't want to open up iOS.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by markstos » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:23 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #32

dontlaugh wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. USB A would be far more useful than the SD card slot for almost everyone.

MacBook Pro is not designed for everyone. Content creators rely on SD cards everyday and cameras actively sold today use it. Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now.

Photographers use SD Cards. Most Everyone uses keyboard, mice and plenty still have USB thumb drives.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by ghshephard » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:27 PM UTC

mattl wrote: post #35

threeseed wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just buy a USB-C to USB-A adapter and leave it permanently attached. USB-A is a legacy connector and needs to just die already.

Why does it need to die?

There is absolutely zero need for USB-A. None. It does nothing whatsoever that USB-C can't do, and there are ton of things that USB-C can do better. There is no need for two USB "mid sized" plug standards - and obviously USB-C is now the dominant. Almost every single peripheral, device, component, that can run on USB-A runs on USB-C. And there is a huge contingent of devices that could never run on USB-A. As soon as everyone has agreed that USB-A is dead, completely dead, people will cease manufacturing USB-A peripherals, which further enhances the value of a port that almost everyone is now using for everything.

Honestly - the USB-A port should have been wiped out a couple years ago - the only reason it didn't is that everyone has this massive legacy of USB-A ports (Hotels, Airports, Airplanes, etc...) that people plug into, which kept them holding onto those legacy peripherals longer than they should have. Also - some weird hardware dongles that haven't been upgraded to USB-C.

What we need to do is start seeing how quickly Hotels/Cars/Airplanes/Airports/... start switching over to USB-C. When that happens there will be this massive cascade effect - it will be exponential:

   2022 - ~0% of legacy is USB C
   2023 - 1% legacy USB-C
   2024 - 2% legacy USB-C
   2025 - 4% legacy USB-C
   2026 - 8% legacy USB-C
   2027 - 16% legacy USB-C
   2028 - 32% legacy USB-C
   2029 - 64% legacy USB-C
   2030 - 90% legacy USB-C
   2031 - 95% legacy USB-C

I'm guessing by 2032, nobody will be carrying legacy USB-A peripherals anymore. Only wildcard will be if there is a USB-next that will replace C. Please don't let that happen before USB-C takes over the world.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by markstos » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:27 PM UTC

galogon wrote: post #2

The Watch, Mac and iPhone are doing great but the iPad lacks ambition and doesn't seem to have a direction. Who is in charge of the iPad division at Apple?

iPad is the best selling tablet in the world and steadily taking over more laptop functions.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by deathanatos » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:28 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #33

deathanatos wrote: post #30

> its fiscal 2022 second quarter ended March 26, 2022. Apple's 2022Q1 is completely in 2021?

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fiscalyear.asp

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take away from that. I'm well aware a fiscal year doesn't need to match a calendar year, but I've never heard of a company starting prior to the calendar year, and usually it's at least month-aligned. (Almost sort of one of those "assumptions programmers make about time" article bullets…)

Like, given that the fiscal year doesn't have to match the calendar year, why not slip some leap days or not slip some leap days to at least align subsequent FYs to a month? (If not a quarter, since they seem pretty close but not quite.)

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by zitterbewegung » Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 9:29 PM UTC

dontlaugh wrote: post #23

lvl102 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My only gripe is the lack of USB-A to make it truly dongle free.

Exactly. USB A would be far more useful than the SD card slot for almost everyone.

I use my sd card slot for additional storage by buying this: https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-JetDrive-Expansion-MacBook-...

I use it for noncritical data because the sd card is slow and it could fail. Mainly recent downloads or video files.