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The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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People might take your more seriously if you acknowledged that your personal experience is not necessarily universally applicable to the very large group of people who suffer depression.

I'm not alone that psilocybin has improved or outright "cured" depression in people, you will find plenty of studies and articles on this.

I’m not suggesting you are - but that gives you no basis to claim it is a guaranteed cure for all sufferers of depression.

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There is not a chemical solution to a spiritual problem. New concepts are exciting, but the Indigenous Mexican use of psilocin in treatment of things such as depression, addiction, and other ailments of the soul are fundamentally integrated into their Christian beliefs and practices. If the tech bros of San Francisco are seeking a cure to their existential despair, they should turn to San Francisco the man, the legen…

Christianity is thousands of years old. If it was the answer to the ills of our nation, it would have worked already.

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“Psychedelics are to the study of the mind, what the microscope is to biology and the telescope is to astronomy” –Stanislas Grof. While it feels like an artifact from the future, Berkeley CSP is now formally certifying "facilitators". And its important to note, because the cure is the experience. Not the actual biochemistry. We know a lot about the botany and chemistry of these compounds. And we can actually map phen…

I'm happy to see research done, wish these researchers nothing but the best, and do expect a lot of marvelous and useful discoveries to be made.

However, I suspect that science will run in to hard limits regarding the deepest questions that contact with these substances raise -- such as the fundamental mystery they often reveal that is ineffable, transverbal and non-conceptual.

These questions are more aptly addressed by philosophy and religion, and I expect that after an initial phase of medical and hard-science attempts to engage with the experiences these substances occasion (attempts that the highly rational and in some ways science-worshipping society demands before these substances can be legalized), most people's engagement will move to a religious and religio-medical model (or call it "spiritual" if you don't like the word "religious").

Psychedelics have shown to be catalysts for starting religions, occasioning mystical experiences, and converting people.. and these tendencies will only increase as psychedelic use becomes more popular. New religions will sprout and existing religions will try to incorporate psychedelic use once they see these substances revitalizing religious feeling and engagement.

We're only starting to see the barest hints of this now, because most religious people aren't aware of psychedelics' potential in this area.. but this trend will almost certainly flourish once they are. There might be a backlash on some level, as some religions are allergic to giving their adherents direct access to what their authorities are supposed to have a monopoly over.. but it's not clear whether such suppression will be effective this time.

Religious wars over psychedelic revelations might be possible too. It's too early to tell, but it'll be an interesting next couple of hundred years, that's for sure.

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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There is not a chemical solution to a spiritual problem. New concepts are exciting, but the Indigenous Mexican use of psilocin in treatment of things such as depression, addiction, and other ailments of the soul are fundamentally integrated into their Christian beliefs and practices. If the tech bros of San Francisco are seeking a cure to their existential despair, they should turn to San Francisco the man, the legen…

Christianity is thousands of years old. If it was the answer to the ills of our nation, it would have worked already.

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This is ridiculous. People selling psilocybin mushrooms aren't going out of their way to sell you counterfeits because the profit margin is already so low for this category and you could easily tell apart shitake mushrooms from psilocybin mushrooms. Nobody is on the streets selling psilocybin like they sell other drugs, it would be like people trying to pass off broccoli as marijuana. I'm sorry but you sound like Nan…

What assurance do I have that some rando at a festival who claims to have "magic mushrooms" is actually selling psylocybin mushrooms? None. They might have picked some "little brown mushrooms" in a field somewhere thinking they were psylocybin mushrooms but not gone to the effort to identify them properly, or just not known how to do it, or made a mistake. Or maybe they got it from someone who told them that's what t…

Why would someone waste their time foraging for psylocibin mushrooms to sell? They can be grown for basically free and in much larger quantities. Dried psylocibin mushrooms are still easily identifiable. If a rando drug dealer was claiming to have psylocibin capsules, for instance, sure, that would give me pause. But again - have you EVER heard of this happening? I've not. You're talking nonsense.

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> disclaimer: ymmv, please get a sitter, if not, do it outside (best to do it on the grass) where you are safe, comfortable, and calm. I just want to echo how important this disclaimer is. There's no free lunch, and psilocybin can be incredibly challenging. For some people it is massively helpful for depression, but this is not a guarantee. Do your research and have a guide (if at all possible).

Something else that's critically important is to make sure you know what you're getting is actually psilocybin and not something else, and that the dosage actually is what you expect. If you're part of a research study at a respected institution, that's easy. Not so easy if you're getting it on the black/gray market or picking mushrooms yourself. So if you have to get it from the black/gray market, educate yourself t…

They're openly being sold in Canada; I believe end-of-life care research had such positive results that has now lead to it now being given to terminally ill cancer patients to help them come to terms with their situation.

https://dose.land

You may end up on a list but that didn't stop marijuana for propagating through society when illegal; now legal in Canada, widely available, a big industry, and tax revenue source.

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“Psychedelics are to the study of the mind, what the microscope is to biology and the telescope is to astronomy” –Stanislas Grof. While it feels like an artifact from the future, Berkeley CSP is now formally certifying "facilitators". And its important to note, because the cure is the experience. Not the actual biochemistry. We know a lot about the botany and chemistry of these compounds. And we can actually map phen…

I'm happy to see research done, wish these researchers nothing but the best, and do expect a lot of marvelous and useful discoveries to be made. However, I suspect that science will run in to hard limits regarding the deepest questions that contact with these substances raise -- such as the fundamental mystery they often reveal that is ineffable, transverbal and non-conceptual. These questions are more aptly addresse…

Alan Watts, I think put it best: The most important philosophical question you can ever ask is "Who Am I"?

And that's what we are talking about here: seeing yourself, perhaps for the first time. Not societies expectation, the fount of all our neuroses. And undergoing the "ego-dissolution" the opens the door to healing.

If you think about it: what is an addict? Rationally, they wish to cease. But physically, behaviorally cannot. Yet, here is a substance that in essence super-charges the rational mind. Instantly. The transformation is so acute, the old habits seem impossible.

Now imagine your own mind, programmed to optimal turbo-charged rationality. Always picking the perfect action in any environment. Scale that across humanity and the possibilities, as stated, are not just new religions, but new evolutions ;)

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what is your dosage and frequency?

I feel highly motivated when on and for a period after coming down. Dose: 3.5 mg dry fruit. Frequency: Maybe once a month; only recreationally with friends.

what is 'dry fruit' in this context?

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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post #47

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I'm happy to see research done, wish these researchers nothing but the best, and do expect a lot of marvelous and useful discoveries to be made. However, I suspect that science will run in to hard limits regarding the deepest questions that contact with these substances raise -- such as the fundamental mystery they often reveal that is ineffable, transverbal and non-conceptual. These questions are more aptly addresse…

Alan Watts, I think put it best: The most important philosophical question you can ever ask is "Who Am I"? And that's what we are talking about here: seeing yourself, perhaps for the first time. Not societies expectation, the fount of all our neuroses. And undergoing the "ego-dissolution" the opens the door to healing. If you think about it: what is an addict? Rationally, they wish to cease. But physically, behaviora…

> they wish to cease

Reminds me of the phrase cupio dissolvi, "I wish to be dissolved."

> But I am straitened between two: having a desire to be dissolved and to be with Christ, a thing by far the better. But to abide still in the flesh, is needful for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupio_dissolvi

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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I feel highly motivated when on and for a period after coming down. Dose: 3.5 mg dry fruit. Frequency: Maybe once a month; only recreationally with friends.

what is 'dry fruit' in this context?

Sorry. Dried Shrooms themselves, I.e. not a psilocybin dose. Of course I goofed the units, confusing you. Grams not milli grams.
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