Live data from Hacker News

Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

twitter.com

41–50 of 316 posts

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#41
post #9

The interesting thing about crypto to me is how there seems to be a deep divide among very smart people, some who think it's the greatest thing ever and some who think it's a fraud. I can't remember when there's ever been such a Bigendian-scale dispute in technology before. Can you?

I don't see the divide. Among the very smart CS people I know both working in the software sector or in academia I'd estimate 90%+ think web3 and crypto is bullshit.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#42
post #9

The interesting thing about crypto to me is how there seems to be a deep divide among very smart people, some who think it's the greatest thing ever and some who think it's a fraud. I can't remember when there's ever been such a Bigendian-scale dispute in technology before. Can you?

I think you overestimate the number of smart people who are actually into crypto. One side of the debate is very vocal and the other is silent.

Which side is which? As someone not on twitter I’m constantly bombarded with anti-crypto stuff while almost never organically see pro-crypto pieces. I’m assuming you see the opposite? Gotta love algorithmic echo chambers.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#43
post #15
post #4

For those who don't know web3 is the idea of building a web on a decentralized blockchain. I think more specifically the idea is to replace the need for name servers with a blockchain protocol. Like anything blockchain there is no real solution for how to handle records becoming stale over time without a central authority that manages disputes. I find it ridiculous that this idea even got to occupy the name as I thin…

What sparked the sudden surge of interest in "Web3"? Was there a specific blog post or talk that pushed web3 = distributed web into the spotlight? I feel like overnight there was all this discussion about web3 and it felt very artificial because I didn't see any build-up. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=w...

Its just VCs. Its the same playbook they (some of the same ones) did for Web 2.0, which was just as cringy at the time. Keep repeating it enough and it becomes normal.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#44
post #15
post #4

For those who don't know web3 is the idea of building a web on a decentralized blockchain. I think more specifically the idea is to replace the need for name servers with a blockchain protocol. Like anything blockchain there is no real solution for how to handle records becoming stale over time without a central authority that manages disputes. I find it ridiculous that this idea even got to occupy the name as I thin…

What sparked the sudden surge of interest in "Web3"? Was there a specific blog post or talk that pushed web3 = distributed web into the spotlight? I feel like overnight there was all this discussion about web3 and it felt very artificial because I didn't see any build-up. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=w...

The comparison graph breaks down: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=w... but I feel it was around the NFT time, and "web3" was a way to market "blockchain" solutions without using the words "bitcoin" or "blockchain" directly.

Everyone focuses on the big scams, but there's lots of "small-scale" attempts to get funding from big players who don't want to "miss out" - some may not be scams, but they're all filled with "true believers".

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#45
post #9

The interesting thing about crypto to me is how there seems to be a deep divide among very smart people, some who think it's the greatest thing ever and some who think it's a fraud. I can't remember when there's ever been such a Bigendian-scale dispute in technology before. Can you?

The fraud is a tiny issue compared to the massive massive waste inherent in the system.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#46
post #9

The interesting thing about crypto to me is how there seems to be a deep divide among very smart people, some who think it's the greatest thing ever and some who think it's a fraud. I can't remember when there's ever been such a Bigendian-scale dispute in technology before. Can you?

There's many people who are smart, know that it's all crap, but also know that there will be a greater fool they can dump their coins to while using their clout to hype it up in the meantime.

After you sell your crap just in time, people will either forget your stance or you say "but nobody knew it was all crap back then!"

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#47

The original tweet was asking for "any future of python in web3 domain? specific in @ethereum @solana" Web3.js - the 7 year old library for communicating with any EVM has an actively maintained and fully featured python version. Solana.py is available for the Solana ecosystem These libraries typically make it very easy to connect to the nearest node, which you can treat as pay-once-read-forever compute instances. Whe…

Pay once read forever is the latest scam. Pay once read until it stops working.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#48
post #12
post #9

The interesting thing about crypto to me is how there seems to be a deep divide among very smart people, some who think it's the greatest thing ever and some who think it's a fraud. I can't remember when there's ever been such a Bigendian-scale dispute in technology before. Can you?

Where is the divide? Crypto is 99% full of hucksters, and the remaining 1% are the sorry saps. The intelligent people I know want nothing to do with it. Folks I've met IRL who are into it usually aren't all that bright. The traits they do have are affinity for risk taking, and being somewhat technical but not too much so, just enough to be dangerous. They certainly won't be opening any PRs to fix Ethereum bugs. In ot…

In my anecdotal experience, every one of my closest friends who are all very successful silicon valley software engineers are hugely bullish on crypto and defi.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#49
Web3 makes a lot of sense to me. The people that got into Bitcoin early are now out and ridiculously rich. Other people also wanted to get rich, but that exact opportunity feels like it passed (still holding out for my $80 invested in Bitcoin to be worth >$100,000, but I got in kind of late), so people started making their own coins in the hopes of repeating the process. That had mixed success, Etherium (and maybe Dogecoin) did pretty well, but most didn't. The SEC even started cracking down on ICOs.

So, there is a legitimate need for some new business model where you print money and keep most of it for yourself. Web3! I guarantee you someone will get rich from it. That means it worked.

(I'm being a little tongue-in-cheek here. I get the actual idea for cryptocurrency and even NFTs if I squint a little bit, I just think that the hype is from people that think they're going to get rich without doing any actual work. It does happen, but at the end of the day, doing actual work is probably going to be more profitable on average. You're probably too late to the game if you start now intending to be a Web3 trillionaire, anyway. The hype is to get you to buy some of the money you're printing with money that can actually be used to buy mansions. So they can buy some mansions.)

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

#50
post #3

My question is why Y Combinator funded anything related to web3 and why it seems to defend these ideas when they are attacked on HN.

Fear of missing out. Bitcoin was the best investment ever (remember the 10k coin pizza?) and now everyone trying to re do it.

More money > money

Post reply on HN