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Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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Just for context, that's still 140 00$

> In the last financial year we received $130,100.94 worth of donations in cryptocurrencies.

At that take, I'm not sure if it covers the engineering effort to maintain it, accounting and legal work to handle it, and opportunity cost of whatever else they could be doing.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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So this is not great news at all, a totally inconsequential and pointless move for signaling virtue (look at the arguments given), which is contrary to wikipedia's aim to be neutral

Accepting cryptocurrencies is not neutral neither. Neutral hardly exists.

accepting bitcoin is as legal and regulated as banks and paypal.

as if banks don't spend billions in pointless air travel and (empty in past 2 years) concrete highrises. When WP goes down the ideological rabbit hole everyone loses.

maybe someone will follow up with an RFC to remove banks

Then paypal

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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It's Wikipedia's loss. If they had actually took bitcoin donations since they added it in 2014 they would have appreciated quite a bit.

Like, if they continued to hold those bitcoins, speculating in the market, rather than feed those funds into running Wikipedia? You don't usually donate to charities so they can speculate with that money.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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Honestly the reasoning is weird. Don't get me wrong, I think crypto currencies are for the most part a scam, a ponzi scheme or a platform for pump and dumps. Yet the whole thing just does not make sense imo. It's one thing to be against crypto, but refusing it when you are a charity for the most asinine moral purity tests is absurd. This 100% reminds me of the almost cultist like extremely negative reaction to anythi…

> when you are a charity

They are a non-profit only in the most technical sense these days, but have never been a charity.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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> I know nothing about wiring money to Ukraine You go to your bank and ask them to start a wire transfer. The recipient’s bank will provide the instructions. You can even do this entirely online.

My physical bank is in a different country. As a crypto enthusiast, I’m obligated to migrate to a remote tax haven full of like minded nut jobs.

My physical banks are in 3 different countries, I have not been in an office in years, and I still can send money to UA based organizations easily.

Why would being physically in a bank be needed?

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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> In the last financial year we received $130,100.94 worth of donations in cryptocurrencies.

At that take, I'm not sure if it covers the engineering effort to maintain it, accounting and legal work to handle it, and opportunity cost of whatever else they could be doing.

that was nowhere near the justification given

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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This is great news, it is pretty pointless to use cryptocurrencies at all anyway since for Wikipedia: > Crypto was around 0.08% of our revenue last year, and it remains one of our smallest revenue channels. Remember that Wikipedia is one of the top 10 websites on the planet, I'm also assuming that other websites trying to accept crypto have even smaller percentages rendering cryptocurrencies as payment useless, not t…

Wikipedia used BitPay, the most widely loathed of all cryptocurrency payment processors - https://debitpay.directory/anti-bitcoin/ - and required prospective donors to provide an obscene amount of personal data: https://bitpay.com/464448/donate

It's a high friction, culture-clashing payment flow. I certainly noped out of that form real fast.

For comparison: https://www.givedirectly.org/crypto/

And another campaign on The Giving Block, an anonymity friendly donation payment processor: https://thegivingblock.com/campaigns/ukraine-emergency-respo...

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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> I know nothing about wiring money to Ukraine You go to your bank and ask them to start a wire transfer. The recipient’s bank will provide the instructions. You can even do this entirely online.

My physical bank is in a different country. As a crypto enthusiast, I’m obligated to migrate to a remote tax haven full of like minded nut jobs.

And as a crypto enthusiast you've chosen a bank stuck in the 1980s which doesn't have an app or website? Is that to validate your crypto enthusiasm?

Interbank transfers work the same way regardless of country ( with the exception of sanctions - you can't wire money to Russia or Iran just like that), over the SWIFT protocol with an IBAN and BIC. Usually you pay a fee for the transfer and currency exchange - some banks abuse that, some are competitive.

Re: Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote

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post #48

This is great news, it is pretty pointless to use cryptocurrencies at all anyway since for Wikipedia: > Crypto was around 0.08% of our revenue last year, and it remains one of our smallest revenue channels. Remember that Wikipedia is one of the top 10 websites on the planet, I'm also assuming that other websites trying to accept crypto have even smaller percentages rendering cryptocurrencies as payment useless, not t…

Wikipedia used BitPay, the most widely loathed of all cryptocurrency payment processors - https://debitpay.directory/anti-bitcoin/ - and required prospective donors to provide an obscene amount of personal data: https://bitpay.com/464448/donate It's a high friction, culture-clashing payment flow. I certainly noped out of that form real fast. For comparison: https://www.givedirectly.org/crypto/ And another campaign on…

This is the real reason they received so few donations. I've only ever donated to them through Brave's Attention Tokens [1], so I never realized they use BitPay, but it really is intrusive.

1. I wonder if they'll keep this enabled or not?

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