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iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

There was a time, not too long ago, when Apple stuff was legitimately a worse deal than the equivalent brown-box product. It got ingrained into our cultural consciousness: Macs are overpriced, they underperform. They claim to put design first, but they still break. Not worth it unless you really like the OS. That hasn't been true for a while, of course; Apple has made all the deals they needed to be competitive or un…

What drives some people away is the price tag, regardless of quality and features.

I just dropped $1800 and change on an iMac, which really doesn't have any more mojo than an equivalent PC.

If I need support, someone will say: "How can I help you?" no matter how inane the question, instead of (Linux) "RTFMNoob" and (Windows): "Google, install driver, visit MSDN, etc.".

The difference (in my mind) is that I didn't buy a personal computer, I bought a Mac. I didn't buy what I needed, I bought what I want.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

OTOH, how many of the people who are watching and commenting on Apple keynotes have even tried the latest Android phones?

I watched the keynote, and as someone who does almost all his purchasing online, found myself in Best Buy the other day. So we wandered over to the phones and checked out a Windows phone and an HTC which were right next to each other.

The windows phone was pretty interesting. It took my partner a couple tries to figure out how to use it (I'd seen demos online so I was more prepared for the UI) but they eventually got it. Still, the UI was broken in some very weird ways-- for instance, going to the datebook app, you could easily scroll from day to day, but what if you wanted to go a year into the future or the past? (The phone was set for last year)... eventually we were able to figure out how to bring up a calendar view that showed months at a time, but tapping on a particular month or day didn't bring you to that particular month or day's agenda! Never did figure that out.

I give Microsoft credit here for trying to come up with something new. I think in a couple years, they will have something very usable, and it certainly is very different and potentially innovative. (Didn't get to use the device long enough to see if it was different for difference sake, or if there was a fundamental UI insight behind the way it worked.)

Then we picked up the HTC. It was pretty eye opening. I did like the animated background, that's cool. The icons are fugly, though. Its like someone who didn't know what they were doing tried to copy an iPhone. The device was really cheap plastic. The touch screen wasn't very reliable, and the apps were ... poor at best. I was surprised at how fiddly everything was... you couldn't just launch an app and immediately know how to use it. On the iPhone (and windows phone it seemed) there are standard controls and paradigms, like the tab bar and swiping left-right. I'm sure android has these features as well, but they aren't really supposed to be features... they're the common commands that Apps should share so that the user spends time comprehending your app and what it means, not trying to figure out how to get to the next page, or whatever.

I don't know, or care, whether this was the "latest" android phone. In fact, replacing an iPhone every 2 years is a much better experience than having to keep up with a marketplace of phones that changes every three months... and given that Apple always delivers a superlative experience, while the android hardware market is competing more on headline features, there's a huge incentive for android makers to put in some feature (like LTE, or a power hungry processor) that undermines a more important, but less exciting capability, like battery life. Trying to keep on top of all that, making sure I'm not getting screwed is more effort than I want to spend when shopping for a phone.... especially when I can just buy the latest iPhone and get the best experience, and know I'm not going to regret my purchase.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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You really can't imagine why anyone might prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II (for example) to an iPhone? How about (straight off the top of my head) Better Linux connectivity. Ability to easily copy files on and off the phone. Ability to sync podcasts directly on the phone, without having to connect to a computer with iTunes (not used an iPhone for a while, they might have finally fixed this). Ability to run software App…

All of those are things regular people - i.e. not hacker news readers - don't give a toss about.

But 'regular' people are loving the Galaxy S 2, I guess because of it's large and vibrant screen, and it's thinner (to hold) compared to the iPhone 4[1].

I really like the Galaxy S 2 and I wish so hard that Android was actually polished to the degree that iOS is. My iPhone bores and I love the screen on the Galaxy S, yet I know I will miss out on OS updates and being able to smoothly rotate the screen. The day android is as polished as iOS is is the day I switch.

[1] I'm not sure if it is actually thinner than the iPhone 4, but it feels thinner, much in the same way the 2nd gen iPod touch was thinner than the previous gen)

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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There was a time, not too long ago, when Apple stuff was legitimately a worse deal than the equivalent brown-box product. It got ingrained into our cultural consciousness: Macs are overpriced, they underperform. They claim to put design first, but they still break. Not worth it unless you really like the OS. That hasn't been true for a while, of course; Apple has made all the deals they needed to be competitive or un…

What drives some people away is the price tag, regardless of quality and features. I just dropped $1800 and change on an iMac, which really doesn't have any more mojo than an equivalent PC. If I need support, someone will say: "How can I help you?" no matter how inane the question, instead of (Linux) "RTFMNoob" and (Windows): "Google, install driver, visit MSDN, etc.". The difference (in my mind) is that I didn't buy…

> I didn't buy what I needed, I bought what I want.

The funny thing is that's the complete opposite to what Apple retail employees are taught. Sell what the customer needs; nothing more, nothing less

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

You really can't imagine why anyone might prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II (for example) to an iPhone? How about (straight off the top of my head) Better Linux connectivity. Ability to easily copy files on and off the phone. Ability to sync podcasts directly on the phone, without having to connect to a computer with iTunes (not used an iPhone for a while, they might have finally fixed this). Ability to run software App…

My mom could care less about better Linux connectivity. My girlfriend doesn't care about copying files on/off the phone. My aunt doesn't care about running emulators.

You know what they do care about? A nice camera. An easier way of interacting with the phone (Siri).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH, how many of the people who are watching and commenting on Apple keynotes have even tried the latest Android phones?

I watched the keynote, and as someone who does almost all his purchasing online, found myself in Best Buy the other day. So we wandered over to the phones and checked out a Windows phone and an HTC which were right next to each other. The windows phone was pretty interesting. It took my partner a couple tries to figure out how to use it (I'd seen demos online so I was more prepared for the UI) but they eventually got…

Please detail which phone you use and which apps were unintuitive.

I hear complaints like this a lot, then try to replicate them on hardware I have to hand, and shockingly I am unable to do so! It's almost as if these stories are massively embellished versions of real interactions.

For example. Have you actually seen how complex the home button on an iPhone is?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH, how many of the people who are watching and commenting on Apple keynotes have even tried the latest Android phones?

I watched the keynote, and as someone who does almost all his purchasing online, found myself in Best Buy the other day. So we wandered over to the phones and checked out a Windows phone and an HTC which were right next to each other. The windows phone was pretty interesting. It took my partner a couple tries to figure out how to use it (I'd seen demos online so I was more prepared for the UI) but they eventually got…

I think it comes down to the fact that although Android has more features, it arguable lacks the level of polish that iOS has.

Windows Phone 7 has less features than Android (and iOS?), but is way more polished and 'pretty'

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Good for Apple. I'm happy that internet 'gurus' and Wall St are proven wrong again when saying that the 4S was a disappointing product...

I'm quite disappointed (disclosure: I mainly develop iOS applications) not because of the specs, but I'm disappointed because Apple on this one appears to be even more greedy [1] than before. I don't necessarily want change for change but when you reuse components or design you are expected to lower the price a bit.

I find the current release pattern very similar to the Intel Tick-Tock model [2] where the Tick would be a big software update (iOS 5 in this case) and where the Tock would be an emphasized hardware update on the same platform (maybe a new iPhone 5 next year on iOS 5).

[1] http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/10/apple_expected...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Tick-Tock

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It's 'disappointing' in the sense that, although it is more powerful and arguably better than the previous generation, people were wanting more substantial improvements.

And what exactly were those people wanting?

I'd say they were expecting the iPhone 5 because Apple did not upgrade the iPhone 4 in the summer like they did with the iPhone 3G and also because iOS 5 was already announced.

Now about what would they expect from the iPhone 5, that's more complicated. Look, they created an amazing smartphone out of nowhere, then they did the iPad and then they even did the cheaper MacBook Air. I guess people could be expecting something really new again. Can't say it was a smart decision to expect it because iOS 5 is pretty much the same thing but still...

So, now we can all expect an iPhone 5 coming next year by this time but what can they do while keeping iOS 5 around?

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

You really can't imagine why anyone might prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II (for example) to an iPhone? How about (straight off the top of my head) Better Linux connectivity. Ability to easily copy files on and off the phone. Ability to sync podcasts directly on the phone, without having to connect to a computer with iTunes (not used an iPhone for a while, they might have finally fixed this). Ability to run software App…

I'm sure the S II is great, but some of these problems are pretty trivial in iOS. Dropbox, for example, handles all of my file transfer needs pretty easily and iCloud looks like it will make anything difficult now (photo/video transfer, which required that horrible sync process) automatic. There are great podcast apps on iOS - I stream all of my podcast subscriptions using Instacast (.99).
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