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Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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I hope I one day get to visit a Russian nationalized McDonalds; just to fully grasp what deglobalization means ...

It has been nationalized since 2014 in places like Crimea.

(Not sure if Americans can visit the place. There are downsides to deglobalization too...)

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10 years too late... It's going to be Eldorado for US companies buying bankrupting German companies for cheap...

Angela Merkel is squarely to blame here. She was warned about he dangers for the 16 years she was chancellor of Germany, and instead of diversifying, doubled down on Russian oil and gas, and ordered the closure of the remaining nuclear plants. So be it. The people voted for her, and apparently Germans in general are rather anti-nuclear.

Angela Merkel did not want to close the plants, but the public opinion forced her hand. The people wanted this.

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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post #10

It's nice to see Germany start working towards energy independence. I think it's a crucial factor for both national security and a faster migration to more environmentally friendly energy sources.

> energy independence We use LPG gas (from a tank buried at the bottom of the garden) feeding a gas boiler to heat our house. I'm all for energy independence, and would love to switch to a more environmentally-friendly energy source, but I'm deeply concerned about how much this will cost me, and even if I did have the money, based on reports in local media, getting a heating engineer in would take many months. Half a…

That's interesting, so the tank is permanent and you refill it somehow? If yes, how often? Can you do the same thing with natural gas? Does the place you live in have natural gas?

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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post #15

More Background, why this is in fact important: Gazprom Germania is also a critical part of the german Gas-Market, because it owns the largest gas-Storage with 1/5 of total capacity in Germany, major Gas Pipelines and Platforms for trading the ressource. This is both through Sub-companies Wingas and Astora. It also has contracts with Gazprom in Russia with guaranteed Prices and Deliveries.

Exactly what is left of value in this company; except some payrolls, offices, and some contracts which are void anyway?

It’s a hostage for a future prisoner exchange.

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

#46

This doesn't make sense to me. Can i get an explanation? The German state seized a local German branch of the Russian Gazprom company. In order to secure its energy supplies... which come from Russia. Are they in essence capturing some reserves?

there's been talk of gazprom being a safe haven for higher placed people running from russia's recently tightened regime. think officials and/or FSB agents, etc. wanting to avoid sanctions by changing ownership structure of gazprom to western shell companies.

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

#47

I hope I one day get to visit a Russian nationalized McDonalds; just to fully grasp what deglobalization means ...

Currently it's probably the same stuff as the original McDonalds. Eventually the quality will deteriorate due to lack of supervision - unless Russians will do an equal job in supervising, which I doubt.

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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post #25

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And what about Crimea and previous Russian aggression against Ukraine in 2014 when Merkel was in power?

Calling this a “left” thing is really asinine when that’s just who happens to be in power at the time. Do I get to blame terrorism, record debt, and COVID-19 on the U.S. and European “right”?

I’m constantly surprised at the lack of critical reasoning skills when it comes to government or world events. Otherwise intelligent people just absolutely turn off their brain when it comes to this stuff.

You are probably correct that the war would not have happened. Merkel’s Germany would have stood by and refused even more adamantly the right of Ukraine to exist as a sovereign country. Likely it would just be part of Russia now with no war at all. In fact, that’s what Russia counted on while Putin has for years cozied up to Germany and convinced them to strategically rely on Russia to supply them with natural gas, so then they could hang a sword over the head of Germany while they start snapping up the territory and lives of other people.

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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post #39
post #10

It's nice to see Germany start working towards energy independence. I think it's a crucial factor for both national security and a faster migration to more environmentally friendly energy sources.

Yeah, they got top minds on this. Top. Minds. Nuclear canceled by the Green Party and pre-March went all in on Russian oil and gas.

makes you think if Green Party is also financed by Russia...
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