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America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Forgot all PhDs, it is next to impossible for most students and researchers who get advanced degrees from American universities to get work visas or permanent residency. We get the best talent from all over the world, spend billions on educating them, and then force them to go home.

Is the US spending billions to educate them, or are they spending billions to be educated here?

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Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Per [1], the House version contains important immigration provisions. 1) The bill would create a new category of non-immigrant visa called the W visa for owners (W-1) or essential employees (W-2) of start-up companies and their dependent family members (W-3). 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent re…

The United States should be offering permanent residency to practically everyone with a Ph.D.

> The United States should be offering permanent residency to practically everyone.

FTFY

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgot all PhDs, it is next to impossible for most students and researchers who get advanced degrees from American universities to get work visas or permanent residency. We get the best talent from all over the world, spend billions on educating them, and then force them to go home.

Is the US spending billions to educate them, or are they spending billions to be educated here?

I think most PhDs are paid for by the University, not the students. In computer science, and I'd imagine most other stem at least.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Per [1], the House version contains important immigration provisions. 1) The bill would create a new category of non-immigrant visa called the W visa for owners (W-1) or essential employees (W-2) of start-up companies and their dependent family members (W-3). 2) The bill would exempt applicants holding a PhD in a STEM field from the annual per-country green card limits, enabling them to quickly apply for permanent re…

The United States should be offering permanent residency to practically everyone with a Ph.D.

Why would we want non-STEM PhDs? These are not additive to the U.S. economy or culture. We have a glut of non-STEM PhD holders as it stands.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States should be offering permanent residency to practically everyone with a Ph.D.

Forgot all PhDs, it is next to impossible for most students and researchers who get advanced degrees from American universities to get work visas or permanent residency. We get the best talent from all over the world, spend billions on educating them, and then force them to go home.

I believe this was following 911… I recall during grad school the phd student I worked with has to return to Thailand but only because the changes made as a result of 911… pretty sure it was easier pre 911… is that right or am I mis remembering?

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgot all PhDs, it is next to impossible for most students and researchers who get advanced degrees from American universities to get work visas or permanent residency. We get the best talent from all over the world, spend billions on educating them, and then force them to go home.

Is the US spending billions to educate them, or are they spending billions to be educated here?

Yes, and then we send them back to China, Russia and India despite their attempts to stay and contribute here.

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgot all PhDs, it is next to impossible for most students and researchers who get advanced degrees from American universities to get work visas or permanent residency. We get the best talent from all over the world, spend billions on educating them, and then force them to go home.

Is the US spending billions to educate them, or are they spending billions to be educated here?

It is very much the exception to pay for a PhD education. You are usually even paid by the university while a grad student. In some fields it might have an opportunity cost (you are paid a very low salary for years as a graduate student/researcher, instead of working in industry).

Re: America COMPETES Act of 2022 passed House and Senate

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In case you are wondering what this does (like I was), Wikipedia states "This bill is designed to solve [American dependence on China] by reducing reliance on Chinese manufacturing of semiconductors and increasing America's scientific and technological achievements." Basically, it allocates a bunch of money for supply chain and production improvements.

That would be amazing.

Keep in mind that China will not stop being a problem, it just moves it around. The CCP will have more people in the US with family back in China, so they can manipulate those in the US to steal and spy for them. They will grow the presence of CSSAs and universities will become increasingly dependent on income from fulltime Chinese students, which will paradoxically disincentivize US universities from educating US students. One needs only look at the UC system to see this is true (they're not shy about it, plenty of details here https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-...).

I'm not saying the COMPETES Act is good or bad, just that it's going to reshape the China problem a bit.

And for those itching to downvote me: the Chinese people are fine folks. the CCP is a helluva problem.

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