Lots of kids end up in places like these. Paris Hilton even ended up in a similar place where they abused the kids (as much as legally allowed). I'm not sure if it was as bad as depicted here, but it started off with what was essentially a legal (parent sanctioned) kidnapping by thugs from the school. I think her documentary mentioned she was around the same age when it happened.
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Folks like who?
Folks who believe in "protecting children". Who believe in CPS, while they are perfectly aware what a monstrous system CPS really is, but want to see others hurt and punished. Who actually believe something like CPS protects children. Who feel children need to be saved from, oh, lots of things, from sex to satan, drugs to iphones, saved from not getting vaccinated ... to saved from getting vaccinated, or are just after revenge, but while they want to intervene in children's lives, "if necessary" with violence, they absolutely DO NOT want to take care of any children. They also see NO need whatsoever to pay for either education or care, not even for the physical facilities, but they won't let them stay at "bad"/suboptimal homes, ESPECIALLY not if the kids want to (resulting in regular research pointing out that even outright abusive parents are producing much better results in children than even good CPS homes)
Note that the comic says this place was "full of children from group homes". That would be CPS, mostly ex-foster children.
People who believe in punishing "bad parents", while obviously NOT agreeing on what bad (or good, or "good enough") parenting actually is, sometimes resulting in 2 people in CPS intervening for outright contradictory reasons. People who work in the front-end of CPS are all about why they are better, and why society needs to be fixed. With violence and punishments, of course, not with help and/or support. Grace is the real evil in that movie, despite being innocent and spending all her time trying to help, executing the will of the "folks" "protecting" children.
You will note the ONE constant in all CPS systems around the world: those who decide what is done to the children NEVER actually have to watch (or even follow up on) what these actions actually do to those children. And absolutely nobody is responsible for what happened, except the children themselves. NEVER will you see a system where the people administering the system assigned the same responsibility parents have. They take kids away, with violence, make them shut up until 18, then dump them on the street.
And make no mistake: these people ONLY want punishments dealt out. In theory, not to the children, but those children are "not their responsibility". Which effectively means they take everything from those children, "for their protection" and give nothing to them. The caretakers are minimum wage failures (sometimes victims of CPS themselves) that cannot give a decent future to their kids. It's "not a punishment, it's just difficult". Everything from their parents, school, friends, right down to the idea of a playground they recognise is taken from those children. You can tell me that's "not" punishing children as much as you want.
And people misunderstand children's reactions. Like in the movie "Short Term 12". After a while you realise WHY Jayden attacks her dad's car. Not because of the abuse, but because he is responsible for getting her into CPS, and taking away her future (same reason Marcus attacks himself). Jayden is attacking Grace for being a terrible pseudo-parent that takes away her future, a parent that's nothing but a countdown timer to prison, she is not attacking her dad for abuse at all, but for delivering her to Grace.
CPS also creates institutions themselves, along these lines. They rename them and the techniques they use every 10 years or so, currently they're on "applied behavior analysis" (ABA), a supposed cure for "autism" (this decade's catch-all diagnosis masking the fact that CPS, psychologists, psychiatrist and whatever cheaper version of those (orthopedagogy is the current name) is bullshit and can't correctly diagnose disorders, or do anything about them. Oh well. I guess it's an improvement over PDD-NOS).
The concept is always the same: isolation, idiotically bad schooling or none at all, and constant violence against children.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
In a lot of U.S. states now, the age is as high as 12. The U.S. has gone absolutely insane in the name of protecting children. And, if you dare question the wisdom of any of these policies, you're typically met with something like, "I guess you just want children to DIE". As an aside, there's also this creepy trend in the U.S. to refer to 15 and 16 year-olds as "children". If someone had referred to me as a child at…
Can you explain as to why you can't send children to play in a park? I don't understand, like far away or even near their home?
The rational answer is that you absolutely can send your children to play in the park.
Why don't people do this then? In the U.S. in most states, leaving children unattended even close to home for any amount of time is considered a form of neglect or abuse, though the precise wording varies by state and the age of the child.
The risk is that if the police pick up your kid or if the state department of child and family services catches wind of this, they can take your children from you and you have to go through a very unpleasant process to get them back, after which there are mandatory home visits by the state.
Sadly, this happens more than it should since the laws in most states are very vaguely defined and the police and state employees at the department of child and family services are given extremely wide latitude in these situations. In some states the precise age at which you can leave children unattended isn't even explicitly defined; the interpretation "too young to be left alone" is left to the police or the state agency that handles these types of things.
The most common victims are the working poor who sometimes will leave children unattended because they have to work and either can't afford or can't find childcare.
It's a really bad situation on many levels, and for some reason there hasn't been a serious effort to reform a lot of these issues. I know the whole thing must sound absolutely crazy to anyone outside of the U.S. but it really is how things work in most places here.
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Can you explain as to why you can't send children to play in a park? I don't understand, like far away or even near their home?
The rational answer is that you absolutely can send your children to play in the park. Why don't people do this then? In the U.S. in most states, leaving children unattended even close to home for any amount of time is considered a form of neglect or abuse, though the precise wording varies by state and the age of the child. The risk is that if the police pick up your kid or if the state department of child and famil…
This seems shockingly dumb. I wasn't aware of such things going on in the US, my cultural knowledge on the subject of growing up in the US was of kids roaming around on their bikes all day.
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What justification was used by your parents in sending you there?
They lie to parents and misrepresent the school usually. When parents go to visit everyone is acting to some extent. That being said it's usually narcissistic parents with money who are looking for an easy solution. There were quite a few fairly famous children there. Most of the kids there had issues for sure, including myself, but it was still in the realm of normal teenager issues.
> That being said it's usually narcissistic parents with money who are looking for an easy solution.
After reading this and the previous thread on these programs, I really get the impression that this is the fundamental driver behind it. Some people in comments try to paint a picture of desperate parents at their wits end taken in by the program's lies, but these kids didn't wake up one day and decide to have a lot of problems. I strongly suspect that most were simply neglected and abused by horrible parents that had them and didn't want them and did a shit job being a parent to them because they are narcissistic assholes, the sort of shit people that American society churns out with ever increasing frequency. That sort of people believe things that sound like easy fixes for their years of failure to actually be a good parent, and the child suffers even more for it.
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#46I took a look around the site outside of the comics, and saw that there were a list of social media sites to share the content, with the Reddit entry containing a link to the author's reddit account. Curious to see what the latest updates were, I clicked on the link but saw that it was suspended – does anyone know why?
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
The rational answer is that you absolutely can send your children to play in the park. Why don't people do this then? In the U.S. in most states, leaving children unattended even close to home for any amount of time is considered a form of neglect or abuse, though the precise wording varies by state and the age of the child. The risk is that if the police pick up your kid or if the state department of child and famil…
This seems shockingly dumb. I wasn't aware of such things going on in the US, my cultural knowledge on the subject of growing up in the US was of kids roaming around on their bikes all day.
Kids roaming around on bikes was the norm in the U.S. for a long time. It started changing sometime in the mid-nineties and has been getting progressively worse since then.
There are some glimmers of sanity emerging though, but it's very nascent. This org in particular is doing some good work: https://letgrow.org/ - there are also some stories on the site that explain things much more eloquently than I have.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
In a lot of U.S. states now, the age is as high as 12. The U.S. has gone absolutely insane in the name of protecting children. And, if you dare question the wisdom of any of these policies, you're typically met with something like, "I guess you just want children to DIE". As an aside, there's also this creepy trend in the U.S. to refer to 15 and 16 year-olds as "children". If someone had referred to me as a child at…
15-16 year olds both are and are not children, it's complex. A decade of time between then and now is a big difference in decision making rationality
We used to just say teenager.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you explain as to why you can't send children to play in a park? I don't understand, like far away or even near their home?
The rational answer is that you absolutely can send your children to play in the park. Why don't people do this then? In the U.S. in most states, leaving children unattended even close to home for any amount of time is considered a form of neglect or abuse, though the precise wording varies by state and the age of the child. The risk is that if the police pick up your kid or if the state department of child and famil…
When we moved into the neighborhood we went door to door introducing our children and handing out copies of Playborhood[1] with our phone number written inside the cover to each of our neighbors. If no one in your neighborhood calls the police when they see your kids walking to the park the chances of a negative interaction go way down.
Just one small local step towards reform, so far it has worked out well for us.
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While they are surely morally bankrupt and abhorrent, they aren't "war crimes of the highest order". Let's not dilute and devalue what war crimes are for internet punchiness when they are happening even today. War crimes are when you break the rules of war. America mistreating its own population does not amount to war crimes.
These would be categorized as crimes against humanity.
Cruel and unusual punishment sure, but crimes against humanity might be a little far