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Re: Kickstarter being sued for patent infringment.

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Post by sixtofour » Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 1:11 AM UTC

dynamichype wrote: post #40

pavel_lishin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Innocents will only be hurt during the transitional period Oh, well, if we won't be hurting them forever, that's fine then.

One of the arguments made against repealing Jim Crow laws was the harm that would come to business owners in terms of infrastructure and other spending. There were many such businesses whose owners were not racist but who had invested in locations and buildings out of innocent compliance with the law and the demographic business climate it created. The judicial system makes accomodations for parenthood but it does no…

"Surely that no collatoral innocents be harmed ever is too high a standard ..."

When we're talking about independent outlaw actors, as opposed to the law and justice that you invoke in your response, then no, I don't think it's too high a standard.

Re: Kickstarter being sued for patent infringment.

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Post by dynamichype » Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 12:15 PM UTC

sixtofour wrote: post #41

dynamichype wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the arguments made against repealing Jim Crow laws was the harm that would come to business owners in terms of infrastructure and other spending. There were many such businesses whose owners were not racist but who had invested in locations and buildings out of innocent compliance with the law and the demographic business climate it created. The judicial system makes accomodations for parenthood but it does no…

"Surely that no collatoral innocents be harmed ever is too high a standard ..." When we're talking about independent outlaw actors, as opposed to the law and justice that you invoke in your response, then no, I don't think it's too high a standard.

Just to have you elaborate then: you are against all forms of civil disobedience that cause harm? Is it that you believe movements can succeed without such tactics (e.g. that the civil rights movement would have succeeded without the race riots and that the earlier mill rights movements would have succeeded without violence) or that you are against all such social change?

Re: Kickstarter being sued for patent infringment.

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Post by Hyena » Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 1:43 PM UTC

iamdave wrote: post #33

farlington wrote: post #23

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I don't know if I can answer your question, but I could maybe clarify what I think are a few misconceptions. The first misconception is that artists are generally opposed to new revenue models. Artists, designers, craftspeople have absolutely embraced new revenue models, and the number of artists, graphic designers, fashion designers, video artists, industrial designers, et al. using sites like kickstarter and etsy,…

Thanks for the response, some viewpoints there that I did not consider (mainly due to my own ignorance as someone not entirely connected to the design and art communities). One thing you mentioned I've never really been able to wrap my head around: But the work that comes out of them isn't generally great, and the clients that use them are generally the kind of clients nobody wants: fussy, demanding, unimaginative an…

Why do people on Hacker News routinely complain about business models, management pilosophy or funding methods in technology? Is it perhaps because they realize that their industry, at least, is an ecosystem of concepts and social pressures that will make it either worthwhile or worthless?

Re: Kickstarter being sued for patent infringment.

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Post by sixtofour » Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 2:32 PM UTC

dynamichype wrote: post #42

sixtofour wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Surely that no collatoral innocents be harmed ever is too high a standard ..." When we're talking about independent outlaw actors, as opposed to the law and justice that you invoke in your response, then no, I don't think it's too high a standard.

Just to have you elaborate then: you are against all forms of civil disobedience that cause harm? Is it that you believe movements can succeed without such tactics (e.g. that the civil rights movement would have succeeded without the race riots and that the earlier mill rights movements would have succeeded without violence) or that you are against all such social change?

"you are against all forms of civil disobedience that cause harm?"

Mostly, but not absolutely. Unnecessarily exposing the existence and whereabouts of someone's kids for what amounts to little more than vandalism and tagging, yes.