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The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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There's more to it. The EME API is useless without the undocumented proprietary plug-in side (called CDM in the spec). It has no technical purpose. It's only to "standards-wash" an entirely closed DRM by Google (and everyone else's proprietary DRMs). The spec contains diagrams and descriptions that have been acknowledged by its authors to be factually incorrect. EME pretends to be an in-browser thing, rather than har…

"Standards-wash" is such an odd phrase. If I need to build an HTML parser in a world with proprietary CDM, I sure as hell prefer that CDM to declare itself in a standardized way than to have my parser need to handle non-standardized content declarations. Having a standard benefits even user agents that don't plan to support the feature.

It doesn't work as you imagine. You can't use the EME spec for anything. It is equivalent to saying Flash is a Web Standard, because the spec says you invoke it with with no further details (which is less than NPAPI that actual Flash used to use).

The spec, both for browser developers and site authors, is completely impossible to use without a secret unspecified component. EME CDM isn't even a real component, but a spec placeholder for arbitrary vendor-specific code that has no standard API, and intentionally never will.

That secret component is for all practical purposes absolutely necessary and implements 99% of the functionality. The only key exchange scheme described in EME is a deliberate misdirection, and it's not used by anyone.

I can't emphasize enough how sleazy EME is. Google and Netflix have devised and documented a key exchange scheme nobody asked for, nobody uses, and even they have explicitly said they will never use it. The only purpose of this spec is to merely exist, so that DRM vendors like Google can exploit the confusion to say their closed proprietary DRM, which is not in the spec, and doesn't even work the way spec describes DRMs, is somehow a standard.

(I was an Invited Expert in W3C HTML Working Group when this spec was being written)

Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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That's what they used to say about Microsoft. Large players come and go. Chrome is at the head now because MS rested on their laurels and IE's performance rotted enough for a new player to take them on in market-share.

I don't particularly see a new large player come in the browser space, though. Creating a browser from scratch is a huge untertaking and the fact that everyone except Google, Mozilla, and Apply have given up is testament to that. Edge (Legacy) was a decent browser, but keeping up even with still missing Web APIs proved too expensive (alongside fixing bugs). Safari may be in the same pickle these days with apparently…

The point is that Google is managing their dominance properly, only really held off from >90% dominance by Apple's WebKit rule for iOS App Store apps.

Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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post #20

"A web for everyone" turned out to be a lie. The web architecture made it trivial to manipulate information and cancel people. Nothing in the protocols deals with archiving or true redundancy. Nothing deals with DDoS or bypassing censorship. The architecture itself encourages centralization. Moreover, the protocols are currently being manipulated to encourage even more central control. We're way past the point where…

Are you complaining that there is no way to "bypass censorship" on Facebook? Because it is pretty trivial to host your own site. The web has absolutely delivered on that promise; just see how the efforts to shut down The Pirate Bay have failed.

Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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What is the relationship between W3C and WHATWG these days? I haven't been following that story for years now -- at the time it seemed that W3C was losing relevance, and that WHATWG was becoming the de facto standards keeper for web tech.

There's a very interesting long-form (somewhat chronologically organized) answer to your question from the horse's mouth here https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/W3C

Seems their mediawiki is struggling, here's an archive https://web.archive.org/web/20210815185631/https://wiki.what...

Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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Since the web standards are owned by WHATWG, any idea what the purpose of W3C is nowadays?

Somehow I've not herd of WHATWG and according to the wiki article the active memberships are: Apple, Google, Microsoft and supposedly Mozilla? The three largest tech companies own the internet standards? That's quite unsettling.

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Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what they used to say about Microsoft. Large players come and go. Chrome is at the head now because MS rested on their laurels and IE's performance rotted enough for a new player to take them on in market-share.

I don't particularly see a new large player come in the browser space, though. Creating a browser from scratch is a huge untertaking and the fact that everyone except Google, Mozilla, and Apply have given up is testament to that. Edge (Legacy) was a decent browser, but keeping up even with still missing Web APIs proved too expensive (alongside fixing bugs). Safari may be in the same pickle these days with apparently…

I don't think anyone saw Chrome coming until it blew up nearly overnight, if memory serves.

Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't particularly see a new large player come in the browser space, though. Creating a browser from scratch is a huge untertaking and the fact that everyone except Google, Mozilla, and Apply have given up is testament to that. Edge (Legacy) was a decent browser, but keeping up even with still missing Web APIs proved too expensive (alongside fixing bugs). Safari may be in the same pickle these days with apparently…

The point is that Google is managing their dominance properly, only really held off from >90% dominance by Apple's WebKit rule for iOS App Store apps.

You mean like disabling important functionality required by uBlock and other ad-blockers?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-st...

Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't particularly see a new large player come in the browser space, though. Creating a browser from scratch is a huge untertaking and the fact that everyone except Google, Mozilla, and Apply have given up is testament to that. Edge (Legacy) was a decent browser, but keeping up even with still missing Web APIs proved too expensive (alongside fixing bugs). Safari may be in the same pickle these days with apparently…

The point is that Google is managing their dominance properly, only really held off from >90% dominance by Apple's WebKit rule for iOS App Store apps.

They said that about Facebook...

Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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post #20

"A web for everyone" turned out to be a lie. The web architecture made it trivial to manipulate information and cancel people. Nothing in the protocols deals with archiving or true redundancy. Nothing deals with DDoS or bypassing censorship. The architecture itself encourages centralization. Moreover, the protocols are currently being manipulated to encourage even more central control. We're way past the point where…

Yeah what you are running into is the difference between the web, which is already dead and rotting, versus the internet, which is quite resilient and is in the process of eating the web.

Re: The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that Google is managing their dominance properly, only really held off from >90% dominance by Apple's WebKit rule for iOS App Store apps.

You mean like disabling important functionality required by uBlock and other ad-blockers? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-st...

Disabling functionality that allows attackers to backdoor changes to their plugin behavior in without getting the plugin re-vetted, yes.
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