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Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by mattdeboard » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 10:58 AM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #27

So Mark deletes this from the Internet, and a bunch of other people put it back up? For people that were concerned enough about him to send the police to his house a few hours ago, it seems weird that they are now saying "fuck the author's wishes" and putting it back online. I guess if there isn't enough Internet Drama, we have to make our own? Can we go back to whining about node.js? At least I found that mildly fun…

Not to be a dick but pretty sure it's well-recognized as an infallible truth that once you put something on the Internet, it's in the world forever. It is never gone, no matter what you want.

I'm sure Mr. Pilgrim is well aware of this fact.

Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by RexRollman » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 11:51 AM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #24

munim wrote: post #23

I am sorry, but I was out of the loop. What exactly happened to the original site?

The author did a variant of the _Why: took down his online presence, deleted the online accounts he could and changed the configuration of his sites to return "410 Gone" on requests.

That's a real shame. I enjoyed reading his blog, especially during his transition to Linux.

Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by smackfu » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 12:27 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #27

So Mark deletes this from the Internet, and a bunch of other people put it back up? For people that were concerned enough about him to send the police to his house a few hours ago, it seems weird that they are now saying "fuck the author's wishes" and putting it back online. I guess if there isn't enough Internet Drama, we have to make our own? Can we go back to whining about node.js? At least I found that mildly fun…

Shows one downside of digital publishing, where the author can just throw a fit and delete all their good content. If it was on books, they couldn't do a thing.

Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by j_col » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 12:52 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #26

j_col wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but no censorship is nice in a site that is supposed to be about content getting up-voted/down-voted by a community.

There's no downvoting, though. Hence, moderators sometimes remove articles that are popular but don't belong here. Just because something is popular among HN readers doesn't mean it needs to be on HN, and the mods balance out the natural Way Of The Universe in that case. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this, but am just stating how things work here. There is no reason to expect that you aren't being censored; u…

You right of course, I was mistakenly thinking of comments getting down-voted, but articles cannot.

> There is no reason to expect that you aren't being censored; ultimately this site is for advertising YC, not for being an impartial news filter.

Yeah, it's important to keep sight of that, and frankly in that case it makes me wonder why I should continue to come back here?

Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by sophacles » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 12:57 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #27

So Mark deletes this from the Internet, and a bunch of other people put it back up? For people that were concerned enough about him to send the police to his house a few hours ago, it seems weird that they are now saying "fuck the author's wishes" and putting it back online. I guess if there isn't enough Internet Drama, we have to make our own? Can we go back to whining about node.js? At least I found that mildly fun…

Actually, by releasing the content under a CC license, the author clearly chose to have this exact phenomenon happen. He may no longer wish to host the books himself, which is reasonable and acceptable -- but since the CC license allows republishing, this behavior by others is also reasonable and acceptable. The only drama being made by this action is by wonks like you who ignore the basic facts of sharing based licensing to cop some sort of bs superior attitude.

Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by smackfu » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 1:13 PM UTC

The moral of all this is that if you want to disappear silently, you should disappear silently. Silently on the internet does not mean deleting your content. It means leaving it there.

Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by ceejayoz » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 1:20 PM UTC

smackfu wrote: post #43

jrockway wrote: post #27

So Mark deletes this from the Internet, and a bunch of other people put it back up? For people that were concerned enough about him to send the police to his house a few hours ago, it seems weird that they are now saying "fuck the author's wishes" and putting it back online. I guess if there isn't enough Internet Drama, we have to make our own? Can we go back to whining about node.js? At least I found that mildly fun…

Shows one downside of digital publishing, where the author can just throw a fit and delete all their good content. If it was on books, they couldn't do a thing.

It also shows an upside of digital publishing, where others can restore the useful content the same day if it was published under a CC license.

Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by ajpiano » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 2:24 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #27

So Mark deletes this from the Internet, and a bunch of other people put it back up? For people that were concerned enough about him to send the police to his house a few hours ago, it seems weird that they are now saying "fuck the author's wishes" and putting it back online. I guess if there isn't enough Internet Drama, we have to make our own? Can we go back to whining about node.js? At least I found that mildly fun…

I like the idea that 'the people' who called the police and 'the people' who got diveintohtml5.info up and running are obviously the same people, cause they like, use the internet and stuff.

Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by centeno » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 2:39 PM UTC

This was not unexpected. Several years ago there was an enigmatic post in his blog, a comparison with David Salinger author of The Catcher in the Rye, after publishing that book Salinger disappeared from public presence and hide from any form of popularity. The best friend of Mark died from drug consumption not long ago, and he was really disappointed about that. One time Mark said that all his activity in the web was of no use for getting a good friend. He think that you can have only one friend that survive you, and that friend is not here ...

No wonder people imagine strange things happening when someone decide to disappear in the web.

Re: Diveintohtml5 lives

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Post by soapdog » Wed, Oct 05, 2011, 3:08 PM UTC

I just discovered that those resources were down. Is there any mirror of dive into python available? A good friend wants to learn python and that was a terrific resource.

I wish Mark all the best. I know what is to loose a good friend. Still what he created was beautiful and those resources are too good to vanish.