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France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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What is the project, I would like more details please.

Here is the customer site (in french): https://economie-chauffage-electrique.tiko.fr/ + our B2B site (in english) which explains a bit more the platform: https://tiko.energy/

I got it installed via engie less than a week ago. But I can only manage it through engie.

Do you know if I can manage it through my own Home Assistant instance?

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Russia has food and energy, sure QoL will be greatly reduced but it will go through, what will happen in developed country if it can't get gas to produce fertilizer? At least America will get to sell gas and food to europe I guess.

> what will happen in developed country if it can't get gas to produce fertilizer

In Netherlands various farmers invested to switch from gas to alternative sources. These farmers are now way more competitive than before. Netherlands leads the way in technology around farmers. Farmers have huge expenses, these expenses can be reduced by investing. Some invested, some didn't.

What would help is to have more guidance around this. That not every person (and e.g. farmer) needs to figure things out on their own.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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When I lived in France, gas-powered "heating mushrooms" were a common sight in most restaurants and cafés. They basically generate radiation heat so people can comfortably sit outdoors in the early spring / late autumn months. I always thought that this seemed like a capital waste of energy, basically "heating" an unenclosed outdoor space. In the grand scheme of things those heaters probably don't make much of a dent in the overall energy consumption (but who knows), I think we should ban them though as it really sends the wrong signal. Not only a problem in France, in Germany I see them everywhere as well.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

#44
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I'm working on a project for France to rollout virtual power plant flexibility with domestic electric heating. We get pressure to rapidly increase the rollout now. Let me know if you want to join us!

Are you strictly EU based or do you have a presence in the USA?

At the moment EU but we have done some pilot projects in other regions (Australia)

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

#45
post #11

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I’m sure it’s fine with your developer salary. Go tell the old lady with a meager pension or the family with three kids.

I'm so very sick of this kind of comment. "Sure we could prepare for the seemingly imminent WW3 and literally save the world in the process. But are we sure we want to? cAn We aFfoRd iT?" If you want social redistribution, implement redistribution. Do cash handouts. But don't fuck up other field of politics. These special interests corrupt everything. If you want to solve a problem, tackle it. Don't play "over gang"…

Especially in such a situation that status quo is directly financing army of dictator who openly states that all Europe all the way to the Atlantic ocean should be demilitarized, denuked and 'neutral', ie free for grab to anybody, but absolutely definitely maybe not by him. And as we saw in past few weeks he properly walks his talks, so its either acting or being weak and stupid.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

#46
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the project, I would like more details please.

Here is the customer site (in french): https://economie-chauffage-electrique.tiko.fr/ + our B2B site (in english) which explains a bit more the platform: https://tiko.energy/

Is it "simply" a cloud-connected pilot wire controller? I don't really see anything about what I understand about virtual power plants.

Also, why is a Linky meter necessary, shouldn't it work with any electricity meter?

On another note I don't understand how pilot wires aren't more widespread outside of France. I bought my radiators in France because I couldn't find here anything that would be easy to control, and anything controllable at all was 5 to 10 times as expensive.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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I'm working on a project for France to rollout virtual power plant flexibility with domestic electric heating. We get pressure to rapidly increase the rollout now. Let me know if you want to join us!

You could also join energy & meteo systems, which I presume, powers this virtual power plant.

Yes! Daily meteo has a big impact on the domestic heating consumption

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

#48
post #7

I'm working on a project for France to rollout virtual power plant flexibility with domestic electric heating. We get pressure to rapidly increase the rollout now. Let me know if you want to join us!

I think your timing is great. Electricity is getting very cheap in Europe sometimes. Being able to hit this "sometimes" as often as possible, combined with reduced grid fees through load throttling, can make heat pumps economical.

If heat pumps become economical, it's a game changer.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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When I lived in France, gas-powered "heating mushrooms" were a common sight in most restaurants and cafés. They basically generate radiation heat so people can comfortably sit outdoors in the early spring / late autumn months. I always thought that this seemed like a capital waste of energy, basically "heating" an unenclosed outdoor space. In the grand scheme of things those heaters probably don't make much of a dent…

Especially since there are much better alternatives - the infra red heaters would heat just the patrons, not the whole air around them, and I'd wager are much more efficient.

And you can always just give out blankets.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure it’s fine with your developer salary. Go tell the old lady with a meager pension or the family with three kids.

This is why my developer salary is very heavily taxed and energy upgrades (insulation, airtightness, heat pump, etc) for the aforementioned people are subsidized.

But how will the people lift themselves up by the bootstraps if you spoil them with subsidies??? /s
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