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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by gunfighthacksaw »

Graffur wrote: post #31
odonnellryan wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Clinton stuff is really funny. HN is not really the place for heated political commentary but there is deep irony there with regards to how a certain portion of the population responds to criticism of Trump and his policies (lately, mostly surrounding Ukraine and denying them aid) and how often they bring up the Clintons.

I have been on HN for years now. I don't recall anything in particular that would fall into "The Clinton stuff". What are you talking about?

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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Loughla »

trentnix wrote: post #22
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the country and it’s nothing like the caricature you just mentioned. It is, though, safe, polite, and friendly. And people are happy to leave other people alone.

90% of the time, you are correct. I like living here because people leave me alone, mostly.

That being said, you are absolutely on your own. The hospital struggles, the schools struggle, the roads are awful, and anything remotely related to 'government' is funded just above the point of being dead. And if you do not seem to be 'from here' (read: white, straight, middle- to upper-middle class, or have the right last name) you absolutely will be excluded from most social, religious, and other institutions.

In other words, it's not all puppies and sunshine.

That other 10% is political discussion. Which is a hot garbage pile covered in blatant racism and antisemitism.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by soco »

a3oB wrote: post #34
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

I, too, live in a very conservative area. > Zelensky is a nazi Considering Trump voters have a history of being called Nazi for the affiliation, I don't see it as a stretch to call Zelensky one for the Ukrainian "Azov Battalion." Think of it as the sword cutting both ways. > the Ukraine war is all CGI This one I see constantly... folks expect 4K quality LiveLeak material to be streaming out of Ukraine. Truth be told…

"isn't a larger political scandal" - somehow I have the feeling, nowadays only wacky assertions are able to trigger big discussions (and big feelings). Lots of things having a grain of sense are left aside, maybe for being not ridiculous enough...

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by tfigment »

mkr-hn wrote: post #12
replwoacause wrote: post #6

I wonder who is viewing that thinking it's real? It's obviously fake and a bad fake at that.

This kind of belief doesn't survive contact with the kind of person bad fakes are targeted at. They're not stupid people, they're just people who've lived long enough to feel confident in their understanding of the world, and that understanding has at best an abstract concept of deep fakes. It only has to be more convincing than what they expect a fake to look like.

I would argee that if it confirms a view they already hold or are inclined to believe then that is all that is needed.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by t_mann »

diarrhea wrote: post #8
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. If you include reactions, sure. But regular fluid dynamics very much leaves the substance intact. Water flows down a stream and is still water at the end.

There are actual models for this, I think they're often similar to a spin glass.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by XorNot »

mkr-hn wrote: post #12
replwoacause wrote: post #6

I wonder who is viewing that thinking it's real? It's obviously fake and a bad fake at that.

This kind of belief doesn't survive contact with the kind of person bad fakes are targeted at. They're not stupid people, they're just people who've lived long enough to feel confident in their understanding of the world, and that understanding has at best an abstract concept of deep fakes. It only has to be more convincing than what they expect a fake to look like.

It's also to drive a narrative: think of all the discussions on HN where we're reacting to the headline and not the article.

This is a dynamic we've not seen before - Zelensky is out and about so he's seen by his people, but a huge amount of this entire effort is being shared online through social media. You don't have to convince people its authentic - you can just convince everyone that everything is fake.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by jcranberry »

peakaboo wrote: post #13
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

Try reddit, it's much faster than hacker news on these things.

usually the pattern is in reverse on reddit

government doesn't want you to hear people -> subject matter expert sees -> informs that information is faulty -> minority fight against the tide

Although usually this follows the covid lab grown pattern where the fight against the tide crowd usually treats their info as 100% certain which muddies the water when informed opinions have varying confidence levels.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by gerikson »

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase:

> Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt.

(Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false).

No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine.

https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

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