Earlier quoted context omitted.
How so?
I'm guessing because fully automated vehicles don't exist (yet).
Isn't Waymo doing this already?
U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles
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#42What's going to be the rate of 'acceptable loss'? There's an obvious point on the cost curve where companies will begin pushing for driverless tech before the problem is fully solved. Without some standardized 'miles between intervention' requirement that accounts for the externality on innocent bystanders, the emergent behavior will be to remove the human in the loop before the societally optimal point. If I save $1…
Set the value of the human life at 125% of the total pay, including stock grants and such, that the CEO of the company selling the car makes.
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#43This is akin to removing the requirement for unicorns to wear horseshoes on the public road.
It massively promotes development. Simplifies the machinery. Makes it cheaper.
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#44Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles
#45This is akin to removing the requirement for unicorns to wear horseshoes on the public road.
Doesn't the analogy fail given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible and pursued and unicorns not?
That’s part of the point: Whether or not they are eventually possible is an open question. The standard argument for agnosticism as to the possibility is “The problem reduces to artificial general intelligence, the possibility of which is an open question.”
Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles
#46This is akin to removing the requirement for unicorns to wear horseshoes on the public road.
Doesn't the analogy fail given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible and pursued and unicorns not?
>Doesn't the analogy fail given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible
Only if there is a mathematical proof that eventually it will happen, someone might proof the reverse that current type of tech will never be good enough for general purpose driving and will work only in some specific conditions.
Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles
#47This is akin to removing the requirement for unicorns to wear horseshoes on the public road.
Doesn't the analogy fail given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible and pursued and unicorns not?
> given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible
I think of this as an unproven assumption, not a given.
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#48Reading between the lines here this just makes me think that the regulator has become captured by the industry. This is like removing human control on an autonomous Russian roulette revolver that shoots to the side if it detects a person in front of the barrel, then praying for the best.
Driving is already a Russian roulette right? If autonomous vehicles are safer than human drivers as advertised the barrel would just have more capacity.
Self driving cars will be as safe as the level of criminal liability faced by the makers.
Regulatory capture means it wont be high and the potential profits to be realized from first mover advantage here means there will be a significant incentive to "move fast and break things".
So to speak.
I'd feel safe if an executive who OKs a software update that kills someone risks significant jail time. If that means no self driving cars for 20 more years then I am totally fine with that. That would simply mean that they werent safer as promised.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't the analogy fail given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible and pursued and unicorns not?
That’s part of the point: Whether or not they are eventually possible is an open question. The standard argument for agnosticism as to the possibility is “The problem reduces to artificial general intelligence, the possibility of which is an open question.”
Is whether unicorns are possible an open question? Even if it is, does anyone care about it? Are any companies actively trying to create unicorns?
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#50I think any automated vehicle, no matter how advanced, should always have a big red button to make it stop whatever it's doing. Kind of like the emergency brake on a passenger train.
Makes sense. This is what we have in planes. We can also pull the autopilot circuit breaker.